Agree...no matter how big the place is, if you are playing 6 hour sessions you are going to get caught soon. If you are playing any type of action they are interested in that is. A tiny red chipper might last awhile, but even that is risky.BoSox said:Let's put this into reality, fifty-two times a year you are showing them your game at six-plus hours each and every time you go. Do you think that it is possible that someone is going to see that you may know something?
No. The wins were (happily) much too large.RatherNotGiveMyRealName said:Did you rathole chips there? And, from your experience, is getting a player’s card and ratholing a viable strategy for local longevity? Another thing to consider is that they may already know and recognize me anyway.
BoSox said:Let's put this into reality, fifty-two times a year you are showing them your game at six-plus hours each and every time you go. Do you think that it is possible that someone is going to see that you may know something?
You have to be truthful with yourself if you are really looking for advice. Okay, there are three separate areas in that casino to play blackjack do you actually use all of them because if you do you will be seeing plenty of pit bosses not picking and choosing one as you state above. The above quote also contradicts with what you stated in post #5 when you said the following:RatherNotGiveMyRealName said:That’s a good point. Another thing to consider is that it is a massive place with three separate areas of around 10 blackjack tables each. There are also people betting way more than me and I get to pick my pit boss (of which there are many). This definitely would make it hard for any of the floor people to recognize me, so my main concern is the eye in the sky, and I have little idea how that operates.
I appreciate you giving me info but I think your time would be better used telling me what you know or any advice you have rather than pointing out a contradictory statement (I don't even believe it's all that contradictory if that matters, not that it matters). I play for 6 hours shuffling between tables and cut my session in half by eating. I sometimes stay at a table for a little while if it's hovering around a neutral count that could go positive and if I'm at a place where I'm not getting any heat. You are right about the "parking my ass" part but I'm just not experienced enough to know how I should stay at a given table. I'm guessing it's when I have revealed my big bet once, maybe twice? Maybe it's when I am up a lot or down a lot. I'm not 100% sure.BoSox said:You have to be truthful with yourself if you are really looking for advice. Okay, there are three separate areas in that casino to play blackjack do you actually use all of them because if you do you will be seeing plenty of pit bosses not picking and choosing one as you state above. The above quote also contradicts with what you stated in post #5 when you said the following:
I usually just play all at this place because wonging seems like it would draw unwanted attention. If the shoes goes really negative, I will usually go to the bathroom or take a walk, but I’m usually at the same table for a little bit of time.
In your first above quote, you expressed concern about the eye in the sky well one way to make their job really easy for themselves is for you to park your ass in the same seat for long periods of time. Playing for over 6 hours every time that you play "if you must" Wonging Out of shoes and changing tables and rooms becomes a necessity if you want any chance at all of the longevity that you hope for. Besides, it is great positive EV to avoid playing against all the deep shit negative hands.
I do this. I once pulled my P&L from a local store and sure enough they had me losing every year since 2013 to 2018. I've never had a losing year. What I am not sure of is that I have lost pretty big in that casino fairly often in some of those years. I can't remember when I started rat holing but I'm pretty sure it must have only been in 2013 when I was last winning there consistently, and that year showed losses from what I remember.RatherNotGiveMyRealName said:The only thing stopping me from getting one is that I don’t know how they track my wins/losses. If they track them at the buy-in and then at the color up, I can just rathole chips valued higher than my EV and appear as if I’m a losing player.
How would you rathole? Did you palm the chips?johndoe said:No. The wins were (happily) much too large.
But for a counting game, I do believe that careful ratholing is a good idea. It will help if they don't catch you on. But there is much more to longevity.
Do you know if your casino tracks your profits by recording your buy-in and squaring it with your color up? Also, in what way do you rathole chips? I’m thinking of just palming them or something but I’m really not sure. I’m liking the idea of a player’s card and ratholing. I could then use a slightly decreased spread as cover and the comps could make up for the loss in EV. I would have to do some math before employing that though. Thanks man.Raven said:I do this. I once pulled my P&L from a local store and sure enough they had me losing every year since 2013 to 2018. I've never had a losing year. What I am not sure of is that I have lost pretty big in that casino fairly often in some of those years. I can't remember when I started rat holing but I'm pretty sure it must have only been in 2013 when I was last winning there consistently, and that year showed losses from what I remember.
Yea basically just exchange them for my phone or something. Drop them in pocket as I pull phone out in one motion.RatherNotGiveMyRealName said:How would you rathole? Did you palm the chips?
Honestly don't know but they come around every now and then and tally the tray and players' chips etc.. I don't do this anymore though. They leave us alone mostly. Sometimes even tell the table to raise their bets when they see a bunch of low cards hit the table lolRatherNotGiveMyRealName said:Do you know if your casino tracks your profits by recording your buy-in and squaring it with your color up? Also, in what way do you rathole chips? I’m thinking of just palming them or something but I’m really not sure. I’m liking the idea of a player’s card and ratholing. I could then use a slightly decreased spread as cover and the comps could make up for the loss in EV. I would have to do some math before employing that though. Thanks man.
That’s pretty funny. I’m going to go to my local casino and ask about their rewards program and see if I can get enough info to jump on it. I’m just scared of the prospect of them having all of my information in their system but a player’s card and ratholing I can improving longevity and EV.Raven said:Honestly don't know but they come around every now and then and tally the tray and players' chips etc.. I don't do this anymore though. They leave us alone mostly. Sometimes even tell the table to raise their bets when they see a bunch of low cards hit the table lol
My advice...if you are honestly going to give card counting a real try...you will regret giving the casino your name and info.RatherNotGiveMyRealName said:That’s pretty funny. I’m going to go to my local casino and ask about their rewards program and see if I can get enough info to jump on it. I’m just scared of the prospect of them having all of my information in their system but a player’s card and ratholing I can improving longevity and EV.
Thank you for the advice. I've heard this from multiple people now and I will take heed.Counting_Is_Fun said:My advice...if you are honestly going to give card counting a real try...you will regret giving the casino your name and info.
Sorry BoSox...he says your time is better spent elsewhere HAHA this guy lolRatherNotGiveMyRealName said:I appreciate you giving me info but I think your time would be better used telling me what you know or any advice you have rather than pointing out a contradictory statement (I don't even believe it's all that contradictory if that matters, not that it matters). I play for 6 hours shuffling between tables and cut my session in half by eating. I sometimes stay at a table for a little while if it's hovering around a neutral count that could go positive and if I'm at a place where I'm not getting any heat. You are right about the "parking my ass" part but I'm just not experienced enough to know how I should stay at a given table. I'm guessing it's when I have revealed my big bet once, maybe twice? Maybe it's when I am up a lot or down a lot. I'm not 100% sure.
I'm happy to listen if you have any advice for me.
I said it on the other forum but I'll say it again: You are very damaged.Counting_Is_Fun said:Sorry BoSox...he says your time is better spent elsewhere HAHA this guy lol
Yes you continue to say stuff as this...but nobody believes you except maybe Freightman. Good luck to you newbie you are going to need it lol. All of us here, and at Norm’s forum are only trying to help you in your misguided ways. But you know better lol. Your credibility, which is zero is fading fast lol.RatherNotGiveMyRealName said:I said it on the other forum but I'll say it again: You are very damaged.
I have never seen someone write so many words with such little meaning.Counting_Is_Fun said:Yes you continue to say stuff as this...but nobody believes you except maybe Freightman. Good luck to you newbie you are going to need it lol. All of us here, and at Norm’s forum are only trying to help you in your misguided ways. But you know better lol. Your credibility, which is zero is fading fast lol.
I am embarrassed to even respond to you again but I'm bored lol...but ok what little meaning are you referring to newbie?RatherNotGiveMyRealName said:I have never seen someone write so many words with such little meaning.
The only thing you know how to do is attack, it is your default. It says a lot about you. You are not living an optimal life and I genuinely feel sorry for you. I’d ask you what makes you so angry with complete sincerity but I’m guessing you wouldn’t tell me that.Counting_Is_Fun said:I am embarrassed to even respond to you again but I'm bored lol...but ok what little meaning are you referring to newbie?
Guy you are a clown, who has attacked you here or at Norm's forum?RatherNotGiveMyRealName said:The only thing you know how to do is attack, it is your default. It says a lot about you. You are not living an optimal life and I genuinely feel sorry for you. I’d ask you what makes you so angry with complete sincerity but I’m guessing you wouldn’t tell me that.
I will reply every time if I feel your message warrants a reply. I hope I’m not the only one that sees the irony in you sending another message to say that I want the last word. You have consistently attacked me and others on both of these forums. To say otherwise is to lie or to have a distorted perception of reality. I don’t need anyone to agree with what I say because I don’t need anyone else’s validation.Counting_Is_Fun said:Guy you are a clown, who has attacked you here or at Norm's forum?
And you always have to have the last word. You are a joke. Keep trying to say I am angry because I call you on your bullshit...I am not angry in the least. My posts here trying to help people stand on their own... including my replies to most of your posts. Nobody agrees with what you say... don't you notice how nobody ever replies or agrees with your nonsense here or at Norm's site? lol. Of course now you will reply only to have the last word...you realize that you have a mental issue right?