Ploppy Problems...

[ihate17]

If we guess he is a counter

From his statement to you he is either a counter, ex counter or a casino employee somewhere.
It is bad form to get into another counters game but in order to know he was a counter you would have to either watch or play with him for a period of time.
The fact that he is pointing you out may mean that he is earning some points with management in that casino. Turning in another counter in order to gain favor and to continue to count himself.
The situation is something you can not fix. Just leave quickly before anyone really remembers you and return a few months later and test the waters.

ihate17

 

[Sonny]

He walks away but returns in two mins and says, "Dont be counting cards at my table"

Yeah, God forbid someone actually win at his table! :laugh:

This guy obviously isn’t a counter or AP. He walked away from a plus count! A real AP would have played through it and given you dirty looks the whole time. :flame: This guy is probably one of those John Patrick lambs that hates it when the “math boys” disrupt the sacred flow. If he’s being that loud and obnoxious then he must be pretty far into the program.

It’s best to just blow off people like this. Just make little comments to the other players and pit (not to him) about how he’s watched too many Discovery Channel shows and wouldn’t know a card counter if he saw one, not that counting works anyway. Just try to make him look foolish and ruin his credibility.

This is also the perfect time to make yourself look foolish and ruin your own credibility! Start talking about how counting doesn’t work but your 3-phase betting system wins 90% of the time. Go into detail about how each phase recognizes the shoe’s bias and adjusts your bets to conform to the table’s dynamic clumping (blah blah blah).

Jerks like that can be the perfect opportunity to lay on the cost-free cover plays.

-Sonny-

 

[sagefr0g]

I sit down at a shoe that is mildly positive hoping to wait one or two rounds for it to improve. The one ploppy playing looks at me and says, "If your not going to play, dont sit here". Not wanting to draw attention to myself, I get up and stand behind. A few rounds later it hits a decent count. I jump in and place my bet, the ploppy colours up and storms off. About 30 mins later im backcounting another shoe and the ploppy approaches me. He says, (loud enough for the dealer and pit to hear) "I know what you are doing, you are backcounting". I tell him, "I dont know what he is talking about". He walks away but returns in two mins and says, "Dont be counting cards at my table", I ignore him. I later see him pointing me out to other players at his table. I decide it is time to leave.

I have never ran into a ploppy like this before, it really was a bad situation. Im lucky it happened at a casino were heat is nonexistant. How would you guys have handled this situation?

this situation would give me the hebejebee's
i'm uncomfortable playing at a table where anyone even mentions card counting.
so me, i'd steer clear of that dude and hopefully do so in a way so that i did look like a ploppy.

 

[Jeff25]

This guy obviously isn’t a counter or AP. He walked away from a plus count! A real AP would have played through it and given you dirty looks the whole time. :flame: This guy is probably one of those John Patrick lambs that hates it when the “math boys” disrupt the sacred flow. If he’s being that loud and obnoxious then he must be pretty far into the program.

Yes, I completly agree with you, that is exactly what he did. He walked away from a plus count after playing 3 hands of near table max through the negative counts. This ploppy was playing the "hero" role. He was proud that he spotted and confronted a real life card counter. As far as he was concerned, he helped preserve the "sacred flow" by scaring me off.

If he was counting, I would have spotted it right away and the last thing I would have done would be to jump in on his shoe.

 

[Preston]

Yes, I completly agree with you, that is exactly what he did. He walked away from a plus count after playing 3 hands of near table max through the negative counts. This ploppy was playing the "hero" role. He was proud that he spotted and confronted a real life card counter. As far as he was concerned, he helped preserve the "sacred flow" by scaring me off.

If he was counting, I would have spotted it right away and the last thing I would have done would be to jump in on his shoe.

Here is not a counter, he is a moron. He may known the concept of counting, know someone who counts, but judging by what you've said he is not for a few reasons

1) HE BRINGS UP CARD COUNTING VOLUNTARILY!!
2) He plays big bets in a neg count. I can't justify going over a 2 unit bet when the count doesn't look favorable
3) He leaves when the count goes up. I can't bring myself to leave a + count unless I've either gone broke or drawn heat.
4) He makes sure he gets the attention of those around him. When I've spotted fellow counters they have been VERY quiet and not drawing any attention to themselves.
5) He gets in someone else's face about flow of the cards.

Just steer clear of the casino for a few months. And return with more aggressive back coutning if you see him just to piss him off.

 

[RJT]

I have to agree with Preston, i'd leave it a month or two and then return with the express purpose of pissing this guy off.
In honesty i'm a little rash with it comes to ignorant f***wits starting on me. I'm big enough that even the more abusive ones tend not to get in my face, but if they did, i would happily wait for them outside and insure that they never tried that again.
You were right to get out of there at the time. All you were going to do after that was draw attention, but that's a guy i wouldn't be able to hold of on stomping. I mean seriously who the f*** did he think he was? Sorry if no-one is playing the spot, i'll sit here if i want and i'll come and go as i please. Not happy about it? Get lost.
As i said i have a bit of a temper when it comes to these things :flame: :laugh:

RJT.

 

[ScottH]

I have to agree with Preston, i'd leave it a month or two and then return with the express purpose of pissing this guy off.
In honesty i'm a little rash with it comes to ignorant f***wits starting on me. I'm big enough that even the more abusive ones tend not to get in my face, but if they did, i would happily wait for them outside and insure that they never tried that again.
You were right to get out of there at the time. All you were going to do after that was draw attention, but that's a guy i wouldn't be able to hold of on stomping. I mean seriously who the f*** did he think he was? Sorry if no-one is playing the spot, i'll sit here if i want and i'll come and go as i please. Not happy about it? Get lost.
As i said i have a bit of a temper when it comes to these things :flame: :laugh:

RJT.

I would not try to bug this guy just for the principle of the matter. He knows how to spot a card counter whether he is one or not, so why make enemies with the guy? If you say you're going to play at his table whether he likes it or not and he is going to let everyone within shouting distance that you're counting. I don't think Jeff wants that kind of attention.

I think it's best to just let it go.

 

[RJT]

I agree with you and if it was anyone else i'd still recommend that they walk away. Still wouldn't stop me. It's not the fact that he can spot a counter that bothers me, its that he's a ignorant arsehole and quite frankly i think if he was to try that in the UK, most people would tell him to stick himself. You want to treat someone you don't know like shit, don't be surprised when they kick the shit out of you.
We do have a bit of a culture of casual violence in the UK however, and while gambling clearly brought out the worst in this guy, it brings the worst out in everybody over here (alongside the excessive drinking lol).
I wouldn't have got up the first time he told me to. At that point he couldn't have known i was a counter as i hadn't placed a bet and i guess that's more where i'd be coming from. Don't tell me what to do, especially when you have no more right than me.

RJT.

 

[Preston]

nobody caught onto my sarcasm.

Play your game, ignore the ploppies.