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[FLASH1296]

Firstly losing $2,000 is unpleasant but it is perfectly commonplace.
It is just the equivalent of just 8 of your $120 Max Bets.
Just another "day at the office".

You need to really understand the high standard deviation of BJ.

What is your bankroll? $10,000 ? I am hoping that you are well capitalized.

As for playing two hands:

If you are playing two hands only when you have an advantage, you will soon be 86'd

If you are playing two hands all of the time, that is good but NOT required in any way.

A gambler gets on an emotional roller-coaster when he puts his money at risk. An advantage player does not. The A.P. may pretend that he is excited by his wins and stressed by his losses. That is camouflage. I am a good actor. If I have a bad day and lose several thousand I do not lose any sleep over it. If I score a big win, I do not celebrate. If one has deep emotional attachments to money they should play scrabble or collect stamps. BJ is not for them. If someone is more than slightly "excited" by "gambling" they are unlikely to ever become A.P.'s

Note: Deciding that you cannot win at $25 tables sounds like a conclusion that you have drawn but cannot substantiate due to a small sample size and no actual records. That being said, for some beginners this can be true - because they are playing with "scared money" - and their anxiety about playing at stakes too high for their bankroll screws up their play. Your complaint that you got your "ass kicked" suggests that losing / winning money has an emotional impact upon you. That is like a poker player who folds his hand because the amount of money involved is too high - not based on sound math - but based upon how winning / losing the money will make him feel.

 

[Mr.M]

Firstly losing $2,000 is unpleasant but it is perfectly commonplace.
It is just the equivalent of just 8 of your $120 Max Bets.
Just another "day at the office".

You need to really understand the high standard deviation of BJ.

What is your bankroll? $10,000 ? I am hoping that you are well capitalized.

As for playing two hands:

If you are playing two hands only when you have an advantage, you will soon be 86'd

If you are playing two hands all of the time, that is good but NOT required in any way.

A gambler gets on an emotional roller-coaster when he puts his money at risk. An advantage player does not. The A.P. may pretend that he is excited by his wins and stressed by his losses. That is camouflage. I am a good actor. If I have a bad day and lose several thousand I do not lose any sleep over it. If I score a big win, I do not celebrate. If one has deep emotional attachments to money they should play scrabble or collect stamps. BJ is not for them. If someone is more than slightly "excited" by "gambling" they are unlikely to ever become A.P.'s

Note: Deciding that you cannot win at $25 tables sounds like a conclusion that you have drawn but cannot substantiate due to a small sample size and no actual records. That being said, for some beginners this can be true - because they are playing with "scared money" - and their anxiety about playing at stakes too high for their bankroll screws up their play. Your complaint that you got your "ass kicked" suggests that losing / winning money has an emotional impact upon you. That is like a poker player who folds his hand because the amount of money involved is too high - not based on sound math - but based upon how winning / losing the money will make him feel.

Well with only a $8,000 bankroll, $2k hurt. I notice if I lose , I have a hard time just stopping for the day. I ned discpline for that, the problem is when I go on weekdays the limits are lower. When I go on weekends you can't a $25 dollar game unless you play the auto shufflers.

I just need to stick with $10 to $120. This $25 to $250 is not feasble like many said. I understand what you are saying

 

[FLASH1296]

"Well with only a $8,000 bankroll, $2k hurt. I notice if I lose , I have a hard time just stopping for the day. I ned discpline for that, the problem is when I go on weekdays the limits are lower. When I go on weekends you can't a $25 dollar game unless you play the auto shufflers.

I just need to stick with $10 to $120. This $25 to $250 is not feasble like many said."

I agree that you are not positioned to play the $25 tables. In fact you are barely set to play $10 tables.

My question is this: You mentioned "auto shufflers" Did you mean Continual Shuffle Machines or Automatic Shufflers with twin tower ?

There is a crucial difference. The former is anathema while the latter is a boon.

Where is your casino "home base" ?

 

[callipygian]

I am going to ****ing wing it and let chips fall were theymay, stay tuned and get your popcorn ready, like T.O. said...

So long as you understand what you're doing ... good luck.

 

[InPlay]

"Well with only a $8,000 bankroll, $2k hurt. I notice if I lose , I have a hard time just stopping for the day. I ned discpline for that, the problem is when I go on weekdays the limits are lower. When I go on weekends you can't a $25 dollar game unless you play the auto shufflers.

I just need to stick with $10 to $120. This $25 to $250 is not feasble like many said."

I agree that you are not positioned to play the $25

Where is your casino "home base" ?

Flash I smell something funny with this person. What do you think? I think this person is another Penthouse poster. Here is a person that lives in Las Vegas and can't find anything cheaper then a $25 game on the wekend something wrong with that statement.

#13 March 14th, 2009, 02:24 PM
Mr.M
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Originally Posted by shadroch
Was part of your job writing up reports on what you observed? I'm guessing here that English is not your native language. Which casino did you work at?
More importantly,why are you afraid of legal ramifications? This is a public board and your identity is hidden.

Las Vegas ####

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Last edited by KenSmith; March 18th, 2009 at 09:19 AM. Reason: removed quoted casino name

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=13454&page=2

 

[FLASH1296]

A little fishy

 

[callipygian]

lives in Las Vegas and can't find anything cheaper then a $25 game on the wekend something wrong with that statement.

Depends how hard he looks. There are a few casinos where it might be true that all games under $25 are autoshuffled on weekend nights. If he's unable/unwilling to walk across the street what he posted might be entirely true.

That being said, "Mr. M" claims to have worked at a Strip casino for many years. That casino and six others within eyesight of that casino do have sub-$25 games which are not autoshuffled on weekend nights. I also a bit when I read his statement, but maybe he's reluctant to his his former employer (or the related casinos) which might limit his options.

 

[Mr.M]

"Well with only a $8,000 bankroll, $2k hurt. I notice if I lose , I have a hard time just stopping for the day. I ned discpline for that, the problem is when I go on weekdays the limits are lower. When I go on weekends you can't a $25 dollar game unless you play the auto shufflers.

I just need to stick with $10 to $120. This $25 to $250 is not feasble like many said."

I agree that you are not positioned to play the $25 tables. In fact you are barely set to play $10 tables.

My question is this: You mentioned "auto shufflers" Did you mean Continual Shuffle Machines or Automatic Shufflers with twin tower ?

There is a crucial difference. The former is anathema while the latter is a boon.

Where is your casino "home base" ?

CSM, not the shuffle machines dealt out of the shoe. Home base? What does that mean exactly?

 

[Mr.M]

Flash I smell something funny with this person. What do you think? I think this person is another Penthouse poster. Here is a person that lives in Las Vegas and can't find anything cheaper then a $25 game on the wekend something wrong with that statement.

#13 March 14th, 2009, 02:24 PM
Mr.M
Member Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 57



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Quote:
Originally Posted by shadroch
Was part of your job writing up reports on what you observed? I'm guessing here that English is not your native language. Which casino did you work at?
More importantly,why are you afraid of legal ramifications? This is a public board and your identity is hidden.

Las Vegas ####

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Last edited by KenSmith; March 18th, 2009 at 09:19 AM. Reason: removed quoted casino name

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=13454&page=2

Well with $50k in debt, some of that was cash advances. So I have borrowed money which is easier to spend. I dont know whats wrong with that statement of $25 games? I am only dealing in DD, no shoe games at all.Downtown is there, but I can't ever get 2 spots without doubling the table bet which comes out to $25. What is a penthouse poster?

I have dished out a ton of tips from my experience in surveillance, I don't appreciate the "fishy" comment. Damn I never had to post anything to help. :whip:

 

[FLASH1296]

Home Base = where you generally play BJ

 

[Snoman13]

CSM,

...Are you saying you were counting a CSM?

 

[Katweezel]

Ton of tips

Well with $50k in debt, some of that was cash advances. So I have borrowed money which is easier to spend. I dont know whats wrong with that statement of $25 games? I am only dealing in DD, no shoe games at all.Downtown is there, but I can't ever get 2 spots without doubling the table bet which comes out to $25. What is a penthouse poster?

I have dished out a ton of tips from my experience in surveillance, I don't appreciate the "fishy" comment. Damn I never had to post anything to help. :whip:

M, I agree with your 'ton of tips' statement. Nobody was calling anything you said then the least bit fishy. If fact, when I reread your posts, I was again impressed by the ring of truth and experience that exudes from them. I, for one, appreciate your openness and willingness to share some great surveillance tips here. Thanks again. Note, InPlay has already demonstrated in the past here, that he can tend to be obsessively untrusting at times. Let one or two negative comments be of no concern, as you have already built quite a reputation, in my view.

 

[shadroch]

M, I agree with your 'ton of tips' statement. Nobody was calling anything you said then the least bit fishy. If fact, when I reread your posts, I was again impressed by the ring of truth and experience that exudes from them. I, for one, appreciate your openness and willingness to share some great surveillance tips here. Thanks again. Note, InPlay has already demonstrated in the past here, that he can tend to be obsessively untrusting at times. Let one or two negative comments be of no concern, as you have already built quite a reputation, in my view.

Perhaps you can explain how somebody whose job it is to catch counters and cheaters knows next to nothing about the game he supposedly oversaw for several years.
Another thing- he claims to be $60,000 grand in debt. From my experiances-casino carefully moniter their employees debts and something as vital as game security would not be entrusted to someone so open to coercion.
I'm fairly sure if Mr M could, he would happily erase his first couple of dozen posts and be the newbie he is, not the expert he's not.

 

[InPlay]

M, I agree with your 'ton of tips' statement. Nobody was calling anything you said then the least bit fishy. If fact, when I reread your posts, I was again impressed by the ring of truth and experience that exudes from them. I, for one, appreciate your openness and willingness to share some great surveillance tips here. Thanks again. Note, InPlay has already demonstrated in the past here, that he can tend to be obsessively untrusting at times. Let one or two negative comments be of no concern, as you have already built quite a reputation, in my view.

Baha Baha Baha ! Sheep in life wating to be sheered ! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Martin Gayle]

CSM, not the shuffle machines dealt out of the shoe. Home base? What does that mean exactly?

What's going on here? The above statement doens't make sense. A CSM is a shuffle machine dealt out of a shoe and is thus far proven unbeatable by counting. Anyone for Red Lobster?

 

[shadroch]

What's going on here? The above statement doens't make sense. A CSM is a shuffle machine dealt out of a shoe and is thus far proven unbeatable by counting. Anyone for Red Lobster?

But these posts are written by an expert survelliance agent, how could they not make sense?

 

[Mr.M]

I have no idea were anybody got the statement I am counting a CSM, even a monkey would know thats impossible. Some House have the machines that shuffle but are still dealt of the shoe. Com-on if I was in the biz then I was either misunderstood, or taken the wrong way. I have been out of the biz since 2007. Since then the casinos aren't monitoring my credit, that comment is done.

I guess a few asses ruin things for everyone, that statement is proven everyday. My home base would be South Point, which I was asked the leave the other day. I made a huge mistake and played like 2 hours the previous trip before I was booted. Its always easier to give advise then to follow it. I learned from the error.

I am still open to answer questions but I think most of the major stuff has been covered.

 

[Mr.M]

I looked through my posts and never once did I say I played the CSM, whoever said is the source of this problem:devil:, if you want to stir the pot do it in your house. I am just trying to give advise and get some helpful tips in return. I don't the need the extra drama. :flame:

 

[jimbiggs]

I have no idea were anybody got the statement I am counting a CSM, even a monkey would know thats impossible. Some House have the machines that shuffle but are still dealt of the shoe. Com-on if I was in the biz then I was either misunderstood, or taken the wrong way. I have been out of the biz since 2007. Since then the casinos aren't monitoring my credit, that comment is done.

I guess a few asses ruin things for everyone, that statement is proven everyday. My home base would be South Point, which I was asked the leave the other day. I made a huge mistake and played like 2 hours the previous trip before I was booted. Its always easier to give advise then to follow it. I learned from the error.

I am still open to answer questions but I think most of the major stuff has been covered.

You learned a good lesson and at least you didn't get booted from a casino with a great game. I played South Point once around the holidays. Every table was open and I was wonging DD. I don't have a reason to go back.

 

[Tarzan]

Asm?

Perhaps Mr.M is referring to ASM's and not CSM's?