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Kasi

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sagefr0g said:
interesting. both casinos and internet i take it. card counting only or did you use other methods?
No, I do not include regular casinos as a source of income or pretend I beat them in any way, shape or form thru card counting. I do believe I can win a little over a few hundred thousand hands thru high-percentage win betting systems with low winning goals. And, perhaps, a little fuzzy counting on the side :)

All I meant was internet with bonuses and that it paid my bills for that period of time with, more or less, no other sources of income.

But I don't really consider it "gambling" since I was the House, except with a much bigger house advantage than a casino would typically have, and the casino was the ploppy with no chance in the long run and very little chance in the short run :)
 

Kasi

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person1125 said:
Would you say though that for a beginner (has just learned BS, has learned some counting, but yet to try in the casino) BJA is ok? I read it and found it interesting, but I am just starting out. Maybe the spreads and table conditions he gives are unrealistic, but they show you that conditions are important and that the bigger the spread you employ gives you also better results.
Well yeah - I think it's great for a beginner. And even way beyond that.

Although I don't know that he has any 30-1 spreading charts so I'm not sure where that came from.

I mean to say "spreading 30-1 is better than spreading 12-1" in a vaccuum is ridiculous. How would your unit change compared to your bankroll to keep the risk the same or how would your risk change if you kept the same bankroll?

So, hopefully, by paying really close attention to what he says, you'll see it's not as simple as bigger spreads give u better results.

By assuming whatever, whether realistic or not, one can at least see how unit size changes with varying spreads and varying games relatively speaking to an identical bankroll.

All in all, a pretty good foundation from which to branch into all that other stuff i don't have a clue about since I think I've seen a dealer's hole card maybe twice, can't spook, don't believe in card shuffling tracking too much or steering as I understand it.
 
Kasi said:
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I mean to say "spreading 30-1 is better than spreading 12-1" in a vaccuum is ridiculous. How would your unit change compared to your bankroll to keep the risk the same or how would your risk change if you kept the same bankroll?

So, hopefully, by paying really close attention to what he says, you'll see it's not as simple as bigger spreads give u better results....
It all depends. Increasing the spread by decreasing the low bet in negative counts (all the way to zero if possible) increases your win rate and also slightly decreases your risk of ruin. Increasing the spread by increasing the high bet increases both. Schlesinger's SCORE parameter combines both win rate and standard deviation to give you a reasonably linear metric of how much money you can win at a game with a constant risk of ruin and a constant rate of play.
 

Mike Lea

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AM has shown he is a liar and remarkably ignorant as well as being a world class boaster when he claims some of the things he has done and does, especially his unparalled skills at blackjack.

Dishonesty, ignorance, and boasting goes together because a person who is ignorant, and AM has shown he does not ever get facts straight (his latest is the holy leaders of Islam advocate bestiality), when a person does not have the capability of absorbing facts, he bluffs and makes them up as we have seen so he becomes totally dishonest, and an ignorant, dishonest person becomes known so he tries to keep some self assurance by boasting, even boasting on a board where people can see through his juvenile boastings.

Given this boasting without foundation, the ignorance, and the dishonesty attached to boasting and ignorance, I will agree to not open another post and advocate no one else opening a post.
 

sagefr0g

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Kasi said:
I just got a vision of the first chimp-frog counting team to take Vegas for $1MM's lol!

What an act. And what camo lol.
Mimosine said:
or underwater! i'm splicing dna in my lab right now to make an amphibious monkey, a frog-chimp hybrid.
it's been tryed in the past. here is the results
 

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Arctapodema

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To LHMVC/Craps Master/Chunky Yellow/Mike Lea

I dont have the authority to tell you whats what in BJ, but i do have the authority to call you an asshole, asshole.

If youre here to do something productive and help us better our game, do so. I dont question your abilitly or experience, but quit filling the boards with useless arguing.
 

ZenFan

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Mike Lea said:
AM has shown he is a liar and remarkably ignorant as well as being a world class boaster when he claims some of the things he has done and does, especially his unparalled skills at blackjack.

Dishonesty, ignorance, and boasting goes together because a person who is ignorant, and AM has shown he does not ever get facts straight (his latest is the holy leaders of Islam advocate bestiality), when a person does not have the capability of absorbing facts, he bluffs and makes them up as we have seen so he becomes totally dishonest, and an ignorant, dishonest person becomes known so he tries to keep some self assurance by boasting, even boasting on a board where people can see through his juvenile boastings.

Given this boasting without foundation, the ignorance, and the dishonesty attached to boasting and ignorance, I will agree to not open another post and advocate no one else opening a post.
Yeah, I second the motion! I'm with Mike Lea - everybody put AutoMonk on ignore, Mike Lea for president! zf

IGNORE!
 

ZenFan

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sagefr0g said:
it's been tryed in the past. here is the results
Wow, nothing like thats been seen since the pre-Summerian Plates - Son of Enki... no, offspring of SageFrog and AutoMonk... no, SON OF STALKER! Ya baby yaaa! zf
 

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Mimosine

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Craps Master said:
1: Chimps aren't monkeys.
2: Some species of monkey haven't changed at all in the last 100,000 years.
3: Evolution happens continuously to all populations of organisms. Some mutations are accepted by the population because it makes them more successful or for reasons of novelty, and some are rejected because they do not enhance chances for survival. To say that one organism has "undergone more evolution" than another organism is meaningless, because it is a continuous statistical process that happens at the same rate to all populations. Rejection of a change is a response to evolutionary pressures just as is acceptance of a chance.
1. i'm aware of this.
2. name ONE
3. Saying that one organism has undergone more evolution than another is far from meaningless. you can measure quantitatively how much one species has diverged over a given period of time and make conclusions from these changes. Mutation is a statistical process, recent reports indicate that evolution is far more complicated (as you even allude to!), thus as i stated some species very closely related to humans have undergone more mutations, have become more evolved is a quite relavant and true statement. buy a subscription to Nature, if you need more proof. some of our not so distant relatives have immune systems that are far more robust than ours, as one example, yet we have far more cognitive ability than them.

evolution is not happening at the "same rate" for all species. this just is not true.

Thus, if you accept the premise that life arose on this planet at one time and we are all descended from that initial emergence of life, then you must concede that all organisms are equally evolved, from bacteria to man. That is the most commonly accepted model in the scientific community today.
i agree that we are all descended from the same initial source of life, but we are not all equally evolved. environmental stresses, chance, and dumb luck (like being at the right lattitude durring an ice age) are all valid reasons that explain how frogs and humans are not equally evolved, but rather differently evolved.

it is time to update your model of the scientific community. just like updating our notion that the earth is a globe and not a flat surface, so too science changes. especially biology.
 

Mimosine

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Kasi said:
I just got a vision of the first chimp-frog counting team to take Vegas for $1MM's lol!

What an act. And what camo lol.
i'll start drafting a grant proposal to the NIH, any chance you can round up some venture capital for me? say enough for a good bankroll :laugh:
 

sagefr0g

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Mimosine said:
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3. Saying that one organism has undergone more evolution than another is far from meaningless. you can measure quantitatively how much one species has diverged over a given period of time and make conclusions from these changes. Mutation is a statistical process, recent reports indicate that evolution is far more complicated (as you even allude to!), thus as i stated some species very closely related to humans have undergone more mutations, have become more evolved is a quite relavant and true statement. buy a subscription to Nature, if you need more proof. some of our not so distant relatives have immune systems that are far more robust than ours, as one example, yet we have far more cognitive ability than them.

evolution is not happening at the "same rate" for all species. this just is not true.


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exactly spot on Mimosine. good catch!
 

Craps Master

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person1125 said:
Would you say though that for a beginner (has just learned BS, has learned some counting, but yet to try in the casino) BJA is ok? I read it and found it interesting, but I am just starting out. Maybe the spreads and table conditions he gives are unrealistic, but they show you that conditions are important and that the bigger the spread you employ gives you also better results.
You're better off just sticking with Blackbelt in Blackjack and ignoring the wrongheaded advice in Blackjack Attack. Schlesinger makes plenty of valid theoretical points in his book (which have all been made elsewhere anyway), but he also makes many unrealistic assumptions about conditions and what really is the optimal way to play. His advice on playing methods and camouflage and so no is really bad, and is actually harmful to the newbie.

Another question: the other tactics you say are out there, things you need or should learn to be a very good BJ player - are they all in print somewhere on how to learn or at the very least the basics are somewhere to be found?? In your opinion after conditions and counting what would you say a person should learn next?
No, it's not all in print. I'd really advocate card steering, as it is probably the easiest advantage over and above card counting to consistently find in casinos today. It's also something you can pull off on your own, without the need for a team, if you target the right games. It just takes hours and hours of practice, and it can also be applied to games other than blackjack.

Comp and coupon and promotion hustling is also great for someone on a short bankroll.

Mimosine said:
1. i'm aware of this.
Yeah, NOW.

2. name ONE
As far as I know, there is no evidence to suggest that the Kipunji has changed in any measurable way for over 100,000 years. And that's just one of dozens, if not hundreds of species of monkey. Several have undergone no measurable change in the last 100,000 years.

3. Saying that one organism has undergone more evolution than another is far from meaningless. you can measure quantitatively how much one species has diverged over a given period of time and make conclusions from these changes. Mutation is a statistical process, recent reports indicate that evolution is far more complicated (as you even allude to!), thus as i stated some species very closely related to humans have undergone more mutations, have become more evolved is a quite relavant and true statement.
Your reading comprehension is about as good as your understanding of biology, apparently. You've completely neglected the premise I stated that evolution is a process that is characterized by both the acceptance and rejection of mutation. Thus, since populations are always being subjected to evolutionary pressures, when a species rejects a change, it is an evolutionary step just as it is when it accepts a change. It's still moving forward, so to speak. It's like a car that comes to a T-intersection and can either make a 90 degree turn or proceed. If all you are measuring is the turns, then it will appear the state of the car is unchanged. But, in evolution, this would be incorrect. One must measure those times when the car proceeds forward without changing direction, those times where the change is rejected. Thus, all organisms are equally evolved. A human with a mutated gene that is new and unique is not more evolved than all other humans. He is differently evolved, but we're all still equally evolved.
 

Mimosine

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Craps Master said:
Your reading comprehension is about as good as your understanding of biology, apparently.
maybe you should stick to being a BJ charlatan and huckster, you're far more convincing in those roles than as any sort of authority on biology.
 
Mimosine said:
1. i'm aware of this.
2. name ONE
3. Saying that one organism has undergone more evolution than another is far from meaningless. you can measure quantitatively how much one species has diverged over a given period of time and make conclusions from these changes. Mutation is a statistical process, recent reports indicate that evolution is far more complicated (as you even allude to!), thus as i stated some species very closely related to humans have undergone more mutations, have become more evolved is a quite relavant and true statement. buy a subscription to Nature, if you need more proof. some of our not so distant relatives have immune systems that are far more robust than ours, as one example, yet we have far more cognitive ability than them.

evolution is not happening at the "same rate" for all species. this just is not true...
Furthermore, if all species evolve at the same rate, how can there be a species of monkey that hasn't evolved in 100K years? That would mean nothing has evolved in 100K years, no?

Evolution is actually not that well understood, and most of what we think of as evolutionary biology was derived before the discovery of DNA and molecular biology, which changed everything about biology. Organisms don't evolve; only their DNA does, unless there is something else about an organism that determines its structure and function that we haven't yet identified.
 

ChefJJ

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This is hilarious. Can we close this discussion too?!? :rolleyes:

Craps Master has taken every topic in this thread to task. Some people have their minds up that CM doesn't have anything "worth while" to say, but...

good luck
 

Craps Master

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Automatic Monkey said:
Furthermore, if all species evolve at the same rate, how can there be a species of monkey that hasn't evolved in 100K years? That would mean nothing has evolved in 100K years, no?
I see you lack reading comprehension as well. Evolution does involve the acceptance and rejection of mutations, but change is predicated strictly on the acceptance of such. I said there was a species of monkey that hadn't changed, not that hadn't evolved. Try to keep up. In the past 100,000 years, all species have undergone evolution. Some have not changed. Some have not changed for untold millions of years. But they've still been undergoing the process of evolution, the process of responding to external pressures.

Mimosine said:
maybe you should stick to being a BJ charlatan and huckster, you're far more convincing in those roles than as any sort of authority on biology.
Now, now, no need to let your envy for my intellect drive you to petty, baseless insults and erroneous comments. Don't you know that sort of thing just makes you look even worse and makes me look even better?
 

jimbiggs

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The only message that I can get out of this bastard is the following.

"This message is hidden because Craps Master is on your ignore list."

Thanks Canceler.
 

sagefr0g

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Mimosine said:
i have no sense then, because i'm siding with the chimp. don't you know that monkeys have undergone more evolution than humans over the past 100,000 years. they are working their way to the top of the evolutionary ladder, and since i'm secretly aligning myself with them now, every chance i get, to learn from their evolutionary advantage.

long live monkeys!


Craps Master said:
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3: Evolution happens continuously to all populations of organisms. Some mutations are accepted by the population because it makes them more successful or for reasons of novelty, and some are rejected because they do not enhance chances for survival. To say that one organism has "undergone more evolution" than another organism is meaningless, because it is a continuous statistical process that happens at the same rate to all populations. Rejection of a change is a response to evolutionary pressures just as is acceptance of a chance. Thus, if you accept the premise that life arose on this planet at one time and we are all descended from that initial emergence of life, then you must concede that all organisms are equally evolved, from bacteria to man. That is the most commonly accepted model in the scientific community today.
Chimps Are More Evolved Than Humans
- Their genes show a higher natural selection
By: Stefan Anitei, Science Editor
http://archive.news.softpedia.com/news/Humans-Are-More-Evolved-Than-Chimps-52259.shtml
 
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