Separating the Boys from the Men

[Sucker]

How can possibly a fool(disrespectful) screw a genius guy like James?

Simple. All they have to do is call the pit & tell them "That's James Grosjean sitting at that BJ table over there". Which; according to my friend, is exactly what happened!

 

[NightStalker]

That will kill the game

Simple. All they have to do is call the pit & tell them "That's James Grosjean sitting at that BJ table over there". Which; according to my friend, is exactly what happened!

loss to all of them :|

 

[gamblingghost]

Simple. All they have to do is call the pit & tell them "That's James Grosjean sitting at that BJ table over there". Which; according to my friend, is exactly what happened!

Did he advise things like this in his book?

 

[Sonny]

Now, he should write how wrong he was to advise people to be

mean to others to get a seat.

What page was that on?

-Sonny-

 

[gamblingghost]

What page was that on?

-Sonny-

Pages 91 and 92.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Pages 91 and 92.

You obviously didn't read it very closely!

I agree that this post doesn't really belong on this forum. The questions are very specific to the finer points of scenarios that are not really discussed on here, at least not in depth and/or accurately. And I really don't want to seem full of myself (I'm no expert myself, not by a mile), but a lot of what the questions are really asking will not be understood by people that have not spent any fair amount of time in the trenches using this style of play.

Just as the Asian question doesn't resonate with most players on here, many of the other ones will not have any significance, either. And although the overall point of the questions is important and useful to many players, I feel like it could be presented in a way more appropriate for this forum.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: This is too funny. He is not an asian bigot. If you met him you would very quickly understand how i know this. And out of respect for mr. Grosjean, i will not explain it on a public board.

だめだ！

 

[gamblingghost]

だめだ！

Dameda!? Hiragana eh? Dame is useless. Look, he said an "unknown Asian" and he camps behind the caller. Why, obviously to use dirty tricks to get his seat.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Dameda!? Hiragana eh? Dame is useless.

どうして？”だめ”は漢字で何ですか。

Look, he said an "unknown Asian" and he camps behind the caller. Why, obviously to use dirty tricks to get his seat.

Again, you're missing the point. There is a lesson in the original "Being Ready" post. The Asian question is one of six questions reinforcing the point. The reference to an "unknown" Asian is central to the point. I don't mean to be presumptuous in thinking that I get what JG is trying to say, but I think the questions and theme are pretty straightforward.

 

[Sucker]

Why, obviously to use dirty tricks to get his seat.

Or more likely; to be able to see the card HIMSELF, calling his OWN BP into the game; and signaling him while standing up (Which BTW was NOT addressed by the Einbinder/Dalben decision; it may very well BE illegal to use such a method to HC). That same Asian team has pulled THIS trick MANY times, including at the table where I was PERSONALLY playing.

Either way; the ethical thing to do if you stumble upon an AP who's in the middle of a play is to simply leave him alone. You may later want the same "professional courtesy" from him.( If he INVITES you to play, that's another story.) Bumping heads with another AP can ONLY result in major problems for BOTH parties; as NightStalker has pointed out. I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand.

 

[gamblingghost]

Or more likely; to be able to see the card HIMSELF, calling his OWN BP into the game; and signaling him while standing up (Which BTW was NOT addressed by the Einbinder/Dalben decision; it may very well BE illegal to use such a method to HC). That same Asian team has pulled THIS trick MANY times, including at the table where I was PERSONALLY playing.

Either way; the ethical thing to do if you stumble upon an AP who's in the middle of a play is to simply leave him alone. You may later want the same "professional courtesy" from him.( If he INVITES you to play, that's another story.) Bumping heads with another AP can ONLY result in major problems for BOTH parties; as NightStalker has pointed out. I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand.

Hole carding while standing! He is a very short Asian!!

 

[Sucker]

There is a lesson in the original "Being Ready" post. The Asian question is one of six questions reinforcing the point.

Exactly. The whole point of the article is that whenever ANYTHING out of the ordinary shows up, you need to be able to quickly assess the danger (or non-danger) and be able to react appropriately. Sometimes this involves putting the game in "neutral" (yes, there ARE ways to temporarily shut off a HC game); sometimes other actions are necessary.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Exactly. The whole point of the article is that whenever ANYTHING out of the ordinary shows up, you need to be able to quickly assess the danger (or non-danger) and be able to react appropriately. Sometimes this involves putting the game in "neutral" (yes, there ARE ways to temporarily shut off a HC game); sometimes other actions are necessary.

BINGO! Thank you for putting it so well.

 

[Wookets]

You obviously didn't read it very closely!

I agree that this post doesn't really belong on this forum. The questions are very specific to the finer points of scenarios that are not really discussed on here, at least not in depth and/or accurately.[...] And although the overall point of the questions is important and useful to many players, I feel like it could be presented in a way more appropriate for this forum.

I thought about rewording it but I didn't want to risk watering down the intended message. If people feel strongly about this thread getting the axe that's fine with me. I just felt that even though it relates to more advanced AP techniques, the main lesson of awareness/adapting to the situation can be applied to CC'ing as well. One must combine pencil-and-paper strategy with intangible wisdom in order to become a well-rounded AP.

 

[Sonny]

Exactly. The whole point of the article is that whenever ANYTHING out of the ordinary shows up, you need to be able to quickly assess the danger (or non-danger) and be able to react appropriately. Sometimes this involves putting the game in "neutral" (yes, there ARE ways to temporarily shut off a HC game); sometimes other actions are necessary.

Which relates back to this...

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=13612&page=11

-Sonny-

 

[gamblingghost]

Exactly. The whole point of the article is that whenever ANYTHING out of the ordinary shows up, you need to be able to quickly assess the danger (or non-danger) and be able to react appropriately. Sometimes this involves putting the game in "neutral" (yes, there ARE ways to temporarily shut off a HC game); sometimes other actions are necessary.

The point is that there are more 'dangers' for a holecarder than a card counter. Of this I whole heartedly agree.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

The point is that there are more 'dangers' for a holecarder than a card counter. Of this I whole heartedly agree.

No. And Wookets, I certainly don't feel "strongly" about removing the post; it's not like there's much sensitive info in there. But I'm not entirely keen on how common discussion of HC-related stuff has become on here lately, no matter how inaccurate or seemingly harmless it is.

But you're right, these skills are applicable to card counters as well. I think the primary value would be extracted by high-stakes BPs, but the overall message that you must be able to recognize potential dangers in the casino and react appropriately is a universal one. Anyone that can immediately and confidently answer those questions (as opposed to immediately understanding them) is probably not ready to make a big play in a casino.

 

[gamblingghost]

No. And Wookets, I certainly don't feel "strongly" about removing the post; it's not like there's much sensitive info in there. But I'm not entirely keen on how common discussion of HC-related stuff has become on here lately, no matter how inaccurate or seemingly harmless it is.

But you're right, these skills are applicable to card counters as well. I think the primary value would be extracted by high-stakes BPs, but the overall message that you must be able to recognize potential dangers in the casino and react appropriately is a universal one. Anyone that can immediately and confidently answer those questions (as opposed to immediately understanding them) is probably not ready to make a big play in a casino.

Ok, are the dangers the same for both?

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Ok, are the dangers the same for both?

It doesn't matter—you said the point of "Being Ready" is that there are more dangers for HC players than counters. That's not the point at all.

But to answer your question, no, I don't think there are more dangers for HC players. Why would there be? You realize the LVHCM is not an actual mafia, right?

 

[gamblingghost]

It doesn't matter—you said the point of "Being Ready" is that there are more dangers for HC players than counters. That's not the point at all.

But to answer your question, no, I don't think there are more dangers for HC players. Why would there be? You realize the LVHCM is not an actual mafia, right?

Well, it appears that being ready to holecard is much more complicated than
for card counters. Is that a fair statement?