Separating the Boys from the Men

[Lonesome Gambler]

Well, it appears that being ready to holecard is much more complicated than
for card counters. Is that a fair statement?

Well, the point of the OP was more about the difference between making a BIG score and simply playing a strong game. The technique used is largely irrelevant.

I do think it's fair to say that the elements that are generally considered by many to be the fundamental skills of a good card counter are more geared toward the technical proficiency side of the equation and rarely have much to do with what really matters in the field.

Returning to the OP:

Rookies on other sites are constantly given advice on practicing with CV, counting pairs of cards simultaneously, sticking to the gameplan even if they're losing, not overbetting, etc. While these tips are all worthy of attention, they ignore the main areas in which rookies are deficient: awareness and heat response. The gap between veterans and rookies is huge in these two critical areas.

I think the reason for this is probably because card counters on the whole are far more likely to be involved in low-medium stakes play, where the latter situations are—if not less important in the first place—frequently glossed over or ignored. This is in no way a criticism of card counters, it's just that high-stakes counting is an endangered art. Most of the big money folks are playing stronger games (and no, it's not always about HC plays), and they understand that you'll make far more money by understanding how to efficiently react to the ever-changing casino environment than you'll do from using a more complex counting system, more indices, etc. Low-stakes counters have often not had to learn lessons like these the hard way, which explains why advanced players are often the ones discussing these kinds of things.

Being ready to holecard isn't necessarily much in itself, but being ready to put a lot of money on the felt and get away with it takes more than just technical abilities.

 

[Gamblor]

Just my take.

1. Not an advance AP (AAP!) so wouldn't know a member of another team if I saw one. However if there's another AP at my table, of course its trouble. But I play with enough camo I don't mind some time. Funny another counter was at my table, and when he wonged out (again, sigh), the floorperson came over and asked the dealer what he was betting/how much money he had, etc., Meanwhile I'm just sitting there staring at them

Shoot, I've even wonged in at another table when another CC was betting high and also bet high accordingly. So maybe I'm the other "crew" member you should be worried about

2. More geared towards HC so wouldn't know. However, asians showing up at a table, not unusual by any means. You should also be able to ascertain the asian by his look, age and demeanor most of the time.

3. Chip hustlers are not a big deal, especially in AC, f***ing pieces of sh*t. They do show up when your winning, and if they notice you are winning, others might too. So meh, some mild danger.

4. I wouldn't even be hanging around to get this level of response, I'll cool it or have left by then.

5. Yes happened to me. It is a big deal. Yanked the dealer out and brought in a completely new dealer out of nowhere. Probably just a cooler

6. Don't play single deck, so don't know.