Some helpful tips for anyone planning on playing

[Automatic Monkey]

JG's advice is reasonable and accurate, but like everything he does, from his perspective. When you play with a large organized team, with numerous scouts and 5' spotters, it's easy to say "don't crouch." You can find other games.

When you're a solo player who does not have ideal physical dimensions to spot holecards, you do what you have to do to see the effing card. :whip: If JG wants to lend me one of his spotters when I'm in venue I'll stop doing it, otherwise it is just too cynical to hear anyone say "I don't want you to do that because it might burn out my game." When I'm in the magic seat that I discovered on my own, it's my game, played at my own risk. And I do appreciate everyone's assessment of the risk.

Just one other thing- if the game is 3CP I will not play without an exact read. That game with 1 card is so marginal that it is often not worth playing at all, let alone with a lousy "numbers or paint" read. If I am getting 20 HPH, high variance, high penalty for getting caught, deuces that might really be aces break the bank and I'd rather backcount BJ.

 

[Southpaw]

Just one other thing- if the game is 3CP I will not play without an exact read. That game with 1 card is so marginal that it is often not worth playing at all, let alone with a lousy "numbers or paint" read. If I am getting 20 HPH, high variance, high penalty for getting caught, deuces that might really be aces break the bank and I'd rather backcount BJ.

Please tell me you are not lying your head on the rail for OCP.

Spaw

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Please tell me you are not lying your head on the rail for OCP.

Spaw

I am not. I am laying my head on the rail.

And I had better not ever rape anyone in a casino, because my DNA can be found on felt all over the US. :laugh:

Seriously, read the JG article about this, contemplate his choice of the word "venoms" to describe the behavior.

 

[Richard Munchkin]

JG's advice is reasonable and accurate, but like everything he does, from his perspective. When you play with a large organized team, with numerous scouts and 5' spotters, it's easy to say "don't crouch." You can find other games.

Where did you get the idea that JG was part of a "large organized team" with numerous scouts and 5 spotters?

 

[21forme]

I am not. I am laying my head on the rail.

The first time I saw AM do this, I almost blew my drink out of my nose with laughter.

On another note, if JG didn't want to see such a proliferation of HCers, amateur of otherwise, he shouldn't have written The Book.

 

[Craps Master]

Seriously, read the JG article about this, contemplate his choice of the word "venoms" to describe the behavior.

It probably just means that he is a fan of Hong Kong cinema.

 

[creeping panther]

Well Put

And only one with no replys...
Will the really well organized teams from Vegas please hop on the next available flight to this destination. These local guys need to be shown why a thread like this is the absolute worst sin one can make in regards to your local games and AP plays.
All you guys involved in this thread ask yourself why , why in the world would you even think to discuss this crap on an open forum??????
SPAW.....:whip::whip::whip:
I am in shock!!!!!

Machinist

Please all, genuflect whenever JG's name is mentioned, because clearly there are some here who view JG as God himself:laugh:

Didn't JG write that it was his policy that if his team could not have a game they would burn it for the other teams? I believe he gave examples of when he did exactly that.

Machinist, yes, this thread, and especially postings by 3 people, (one who is posting under an alias:laugh:, are literally suicidal, and I predict the games that have given these posters Diareah of the keyboard will be gone about as quickly as the casinos read these shockingly irresponsible, reckless posts, of which each one should be removed, if it is not already too late. (Especially if it was general knowledge where sweet "Tulip":grin: originally posted his manifesto and what he put in it that was deleted, that knowlingly would have led to the outing of many AP's from this site with the aid and support of 1 or 2 other posters.):vomit::yikes: But what the hell, the way they see it anything is OK as long as it protects their circuit of games.

So sad.

CP

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

CP, you just don't get it. Either that, or you're purposefully ignoring the explanations given to you repeatedly by several posters in this thread directly contradicting the baseless accusations that you're making. Either way, this thread is about as useless as they come, and I hope that any serious players still posting in it will consider the value of arguing with those unwilling to listen when weighed against the cost of having a topic about a sensitive topic repeatedly popping up on the front page of this free, public site.

There's a reason I stopped responding to the ridiculousness in this thread from CP, tthree, et al.

 

[psyduck]

The impression I have from reading this board is JG has the capability of beating ANY casino game. Why would anyone with that kind of capability worry about losing a specific game?

 

[tthree]

Wow, what did I do? I think I have 3 sentences in this thread. They both have the same tone. You are in an area that has some dangerous characters. Consequences of crossing one could be as extreme as they come. If you don't understand what I am talking about think about it and exactly where you are. I tried to be indirect and subtle but maybe I was too much so.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

My apologies for misunderstanding you. I thought you were parroting CP's absurd macho half-threats, but you were instead referring to the patronage of the area mentioned in the OP, I gather. My mistake. However, rest assured that I'm well aware of my surroundings at all times (as any serious AP should be), and I certainly do not ignore, or take lightly, the dangers of operating in certain environments.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Where did you get the idea that JG was part of a "large organized team" with numerous scouts and 5 spotters?

He discusses many teammates in His books- I assume these are real people whom He plays with.

And I also suspect He is familiar with the work of Euclid and Lambert, and knows why a shorter person will get more information than a taller one, varying with the square of the cosine of the angle between the card and the line from the card to the viewer's eyes.

Speaking of short people, is your name really Munchkin? That's really funny! I guess in AP there are some jobs for a flying monkey, and some are best done by a Munchkin.

(Just so nobody gets the wrong idea about those Wizard of Oz references, I've never seen the movie except with the Pink Floyd soundtrack, or the alternative version with Sean Connery. Really, I am not into that. Seriously, that Judy Garland poster in my bedroom, that's my girlfriend's. Absolutely. Not into that at all.)

 

[blackriver]

On another note, if JG didn't want to see such a proliferation of HCers, amateur of otherwise, he shouldn't have written The Book.

this

people are so desperate for recognition that they always have to write a book even though its -ev for them and involves betraying the people around them who helped them figure it all out. i suspect this phenomenon isn't limited to gambling either.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler's_law_of_eponymy

I have no doubt jg is a smart person. But his decision to publish is clearly the mistake. Complaining about people not doing with it as he desires is to complain that humans are human. I'm sure lots of people helped him figure out what he has, or were independently doing the same things. They are all losing their games and I'm sure they blame jg and his book, not stupid people for being stupid. stupid people being stupid is the fuel for our livelihood! the paradox of being the writer as opposed to just plying the trade its that the writer becomes famous (what they really wanted) and therefore gains a voice, while the smart people suffer the costs in silence.

see, prisoners dilemma

 

[Sucker]

James Marshall couldn't keep his mouth shut when he found gold at Sutters' Mill in 1848. As a result he personally never cashed in on it. Same thing we're talking about here.

I guess it's possible to be smart and stupid at the same time.

 

[Craps Master]

this

people are so desperate for recognition that they always have to write a book even though its -ev for them and involves betraying the people around them who helped them figure it all out. i suspect this phenomenon isn't limited to gambling either.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler's_law_of_eponymy

I have no doubt jg is a smart person. But his decision to publish is clearly the mistake. Complaining about people not doing with it as he desires is to complain that humans are human. I'm sure lots of people helped him figure out what he has, or were independently doing the same things. They are all losing their games and I'm sure they blame jg and his book, not stupid people for being stupid. stupid people being stupid is the fuel for our livelihood! the paradox of being the writer as opposed to just plying the trade its that the writer becomes famous (what they really wanted) and therefore gains a voice, while the smart people suffer the costs in silence.

see, prisoners dilemma

Just wanted to point out that your post is long on presumption and short on fact.

 

[QFIT]

If so many people can read minds, why bother with counting?

 

[Sucker]

Just wanted to point out that your post is long on presumption and short on fact.

Life is full of presumptions. His presumptions seem reasonable to me, lacking any other logical explanation as to why someone would write a book of which the only result would be to kill the proverbial golden egg-laying goose.

And if you're going to accuse someone of stating non-facts, at least let us know WHICH of his statements you believe to be untrue.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Life is full of presumptions. His presumptions seem reasonable to me, lacking any other logical explanation as to why someone would write a book of which the only result would be to kill the proverbial golden egg-laying goose....

Because the goose was already menopausal. BJ, 3CP, CS holecarding, coupon plays, etc. are already sufficiently well-known that they are only marginally exploitable. The games that are conspicuously absent from the CAA book (I'm not going to say which ones, because we don't want amateurs bombing the hold'em-based carnival games) I presume are still being exploited by the author and his associates.

 

[jaygruden]

Because the goose was already menopausal.

:laugh::laugh:LMAO:laugh::laugh:

 

[sagefr0g]

Life is full of presumptions. His presumptions seem reasonable to me, lacking any other logical explanation as to why someone would write a book of which the only result would be to kill the proverbial golden egg-laying goose.

And if you're going to accuse someone of stating non-facts, at least let us know WHICH of his statements you believe to be untrue.

errrhhh all he said doesn't necessarily indicate a belief that any of the statements were untrue, far as i can see, just that there were presumptions and a lack of facts.
just me maybe, one of the first points the author makes in the book is that the proverbial golden egg-laying goose lives and dies, but there will always be one.
such is life,no?