Splitting Tens and getting an Ace

[Sharky]

the only reason not to split 10's vs 5,6 @ the appropriate TC is the heat it garners.

for those that don't grasp it, I offer them to deal me a game where they replace six low cards with six tens, give the dealer a 5, or 6 up and start me off with a 10 on each hand.

Question: how much do I want to bet?
Answer: As much as you'll let me!!!

of course the OP was on A10, which I have been asked and do not have the answer other than to say if you think splitting 10's brings some heat, see what doubling A10 will do.

 

[creeping panther]

D-bo

I see it as being no more nonsensical than doubling a soft 21. I know what the OP meant. A decision on whether or not to Double a soft 21.
But if you have decided to do anything but stand, then you have thrown away the +EV of the 21. You are now playing an 11 vs 5. If it's not 21 then it's 11. My point was you shouldn't go there. I don't see why that's so hard to understand.

Gee, I think I need to go visit Kewljason.

BS!! One thing I know about you is that you will stand and fight, you are going no where!

CP

 

[creeping panther]

D-bo

You are braver than I... Honestly, I've done it too.. but then I quit wearing my counters do it by the numbers t-shirt. :laugh:

BJ Master,

The way I look at it in that DD with no das and d-10-11, I get as aggressive as I can when it is called for, like when I split 10's 4 times on this game and pulled 3 aces and a 10, the pit stopped play and took my picture at the table with the hands, placed it on the wall of the HS room. I am a sort of celebrity there!:grin:

Actually I was playing with 2 people I detested and did it to spite them...I loved it!!:laugh::laugh:

CP

 

[Bondy3]

You are braver than I... Honestly, I've done it too.. but then I quit wearing my counters do it by the numbers t-shirt. :laugh:

I want a Tshirt that says that, I would totally do it and spread like 200:1 just to be funny

 

[jack.jackson]

jj, I can see that the rules for your image were set to blackjack pays 1 to 1 so it is showing EVs for a player hand of A-T v 5 given player automatically wins due to BJ and is paid even money. That's not right because a split hand of A-T is not an automatic winner.

In order to display the EVs for split hand(s) manually -

0) Set rules to DAS to display EV when doubling after splitting is allowed
1) Input the original hand (e.g. T-T v 5)
2) In the Strategy/Game section the 'P' button will be enabled; click 'P' or press p on keyboard to split
3) Hand 1 of the split is displayed
4) Deal cards to hand 1; in this case the interest is in if an ace is drawn
5) Click 'Calc' to display EVs for hand 1 given all info known at that point
6) After 1 or more cards are dealt to hand 1, an 'S' button is enabled in Strategy/Game section
7) Click 'S' or press 's' on keyboard to stand on hand 1 and move to hand 2
8) Deal cards to hand 2 as desired; click 'Calc' any time 2 or more cards are in a hand for that hand's EV given all info known
9) There are radio buttons in 'Player' section when a hand has been split; when 0 is selected the original hand is displayed; whan 1 is selected hand 1 is displayed; when 2 is selected hand 2 is displayed
10) If more splits are allowed more radio buttons will appear if a resplit is chosen; (the 'P' button will be enabled if another pair card is dealt and 1 or more splits allowed remain)
11) To move to forward from original hand 'space bar' can be pressed
12) To move backward toward original hand 'shift' can be pressed
13) Split hands can be edited and recalculated at any point if they have a min of 2 cards
14) To remove all split hands from player and restore player to "empty" click the 'R' button in the player section
15) Keyboard shortcuts generally work the same in game mode but you can't edit the contents of player's cards since that is determined randomly

I tried explaining this in the Help file. It's not that easy to explain but it's really not hard once you know it.

The image I have attached matches your composition except I started by inputting T-T v 5, splitting by clicking 'P', dealing an ace to the first split hand, and clicking 'Calc'. Second hand is still pending and can be accessed by clicking 'S'.

Well, for the first A/X, I was getting a TC of 8.9.

But if i was to, stand on my first split, of XX and get a Ace, on the second one, the TC shows 9.1. Below. Even though, this is very close, which one would be correct?

Did the TC, go down that much because of the fact, that this is no longer an automatic winner?

Ps. I also like the undo feature

 

[wwcd]

Doubling 9 vs 2 can and will bring heat.. Some are trained to look for that very play.

This is the play recommended by basic strategy chart for double deck games. So, if done in a double deck game, I don't see why it should bring any heat. If you're talking about shoe games, then yes, I agree.

 

[k_c]

Well, for the first A/X, I was getting a TC of 8.9.

But if i was to, stand on my first split, of XX and get a Ace, on the second one, the TC shows 9.1. Below. Even though, this is very close, which one would be correct?

Did the TC, go down that much because of the fact, that this is no longer an automatic winner?

Ps. I also like the undo feature

Running count and/or true count is/are strictly a function of the count being used and the shoe's composition. As each card is played the shoe's composition is constantly changing.

After you've drawn an ace on the first hand and click "Calc' only one more ace is removed for that calculation. If another ace is drawn on the second hand now 2 more aces will have been removed if 'Calc' is clicked. More info is known at that point.

 

[fungusAmongus]

i think its just a math problems..

1. did the addition of having 5 seen 10's and A's drop the running count low enough where doubling down 11 v. 10 was still the right play?? (i dont think so in your case)

2. did the LONG-TERM expectation of drawing heat, being noticed, and being perhaps barred and put on the list override the very VERY short term gain of MAYBE winning a big bet??

putting both of the variables into the equations, to me, seems like you made the correct long-term decision....