Tipping?

[metronome]

I am not a bra. That is a woman's undergarment, not how you address somebody.

Yes Blue, you are correct sir,
and I only wear mine on Saturday nights !
:laugh::laugh:

 

[metronome]

Well, many (not all) conservatives don't want people (such as dealers) to have health care, so what does that tell you about the decency thing?

Indeed, a rather silly statement.
Blue, you should have stated that many conservatives don't want to be coerced into paying for other peoples health care.
I see the end of this thread rapidly approaching, and not a second to soon.

 

[aslan]

Well, many (not all) conservatives don't want people (such as dealers) to have health care, so what does that tell you about the decency thing?

Also aslan, a number of those occupations you listed you DO INDEED tip indirectly. It is called a commission. It's the exact same thing as when they add 18% to the bill for a large party at a restaurant. A tip, built into the price of the product.

Sorry, a commission is an incentive to sell more, not a tip. The customer has nothing whatsoever to do with commissions nor the amount of commissions. It is better characterized as a variable wage determinable by the sales person via his number of sales. No one buys a product he doesn't need so that a salesman can get a commission. Imagine the following conversation:

Consumer: Are you on commission?

Salesperson: Yes. My living depends on how many washing machines I can sell.

Consumer: Well, I don't really need a new washing machine but I feel compelled to buy one so that you can make a decent wage.

Salesperson: Oh, thank you. If I sell three by 5 o'clock, I will get an additional 5% commission.

Consumer: In that case, I'll buy three. Maybe my in laws can use them. Thanks a lot for giving me the opportunity to help you make a decent living. What else do you sell?

Fade to black.

A forced tip at a restaurant for a large party is not a tip at all. First, it is simply an increased price for the food, since you have no choice about it, along with an exemption from tipping. Second, in my case, it is a decrease in the amount that the waiter will get, since I normally tip 20% or more.

On the decency issue and healthcare. No one in the US is denied healthcare. I think you are mixing healthcare with healthcare insurance. If you can't afford healthcare insurance, and you cannot afford to pay a doctor directly, go to the nearest emergency room when you are sick. You will be treated for free. If there were a proposal to help poor people obtain healthcare insurance via a government subsidy, I would not oppose it if it would be at least as good as the free healthcare already given the poor.

Also, I wonder why you say that many conservatives don't want dealers to have healthcare? I have never heard that absurd charge before. Maybe what you mean to say is that many conservatives don't want dealers to have healthcare insurance the way YOU or LIBERALS want to give it. I can surely understand that. There are far better ways to give dealers healthcare insurance (or alternatively, healthcare direct) than the present Obamacare. I get this all the time-- many conservative don't want this or don't want that or want tiny babies to die, or whatever---when the simple fact is, they are only opposed to the methodology, not the end result. Far left liberals, not liberals in general, have a way of demonizing conservatives out of hand without ever giving recognition to their real reasons and intentions. There is hardly an American, let alone a conservative, who does not want everyone to have adequate and reasonably priced healthcare, even free where necessary; it is only the methods that are different. So let's keep this real, realizing that few people anywhere want to deny anyone in real need of the means to a dignified, secure, and healthy existence.

 

[aslan]

I think we've covered tipping from one end to the other, so much so the entire thread is beginning to tip. My parting "tip" to dealers is: Try to create a positive winning atmosphere at the table. Be friendly. Be efficient. Be fast, but not too fast-- too many errors occur. Don't waste out time spinning yarns. You are not being paid to be a comedian, nor are you being paid to be hostile to patrons. Create that happy winning atmosphere and you are at least putting yourself into the best possible position to attract tips, especially if someone at your table gets lucky. And remember, tips are not you due, they are completely gratis. Be grateful to the generous souls who bestow them on you. Now let no one say I do not "tip" dealers.

 

[metronome]

mostly high low

Mostly ???, O.K. I'm done

 

[aslan]

a black jack dealer provides the service of entertainment.
and no u dont have to tip, that is your decision, but their is benifits to tipping which I will touch on in a minute. And yes I did take the job knowing I will have to make tips to compensate for my income, and u seem to know this as well.

Those jobs you listed were taken knowing that they do not work for tips, where as other jobs it is known that they work for tips that is the difference.

no im not a liberal, good job promoting conservatism.

another added benift of tipping.
Probably about a third of dealers are what we call dual rates, which means sometimes we deal and sometimes we floor. so if you are a regular customer and never tip and a dual rate is flooring in your section and has to make a judgement call, whose side do you think they are more likley to side on yours or the house?
Yes in a perfect world they would make the perfect just decision, but lets be honest its not a perfect world and we are human, so we are persuaded. Im not saying they will cheat for you but might favor on your side if you have created a good relation ship with them, might turn a misdeal into a live hand if it favors, or a lost into a push.
Plus if you try to get compt guess who rates you, at my place of work it is a judgement call to the floor about what your average bet is, which is then used with amount of play to determine your comp.

There are many more advantages which I will not speak on.

A dealer working as a suit is more the exception than the rule. But no matter. When it comes to a misdeal or other situations, the pit would have to consider the entire table. If he wants to play a-hole, he will only lose business. I will not be intimidated into rewarding dealers like maybe yourself, and if that is ever apparent, I WILL notify the management about any perceived unfair judgment rendered.

Yes, I know you will need to make tips to supplement your income, but that is not my problem, it is yours and the stingy and unfair casino that hired you. When society decides to treat dealers as waiters, that will be different. Then, I will tip 10% to 30% on benefits received, in the case of the waiter, of the meal provided, and in the case of the dealer, the wins received minus the losses. This will mean that ploppies will be virtually exempted from tipping, since their overall will be losses. The advantage player will be the only ones providing your tips. Oh, my!

 

[Blue Efficacy]

I would certainly come back another day and buy from a different salesperson if the guy trying to sell me the washing machine rubbed me the wrong way.

Also, insurance is a good example, you can save money and buy direct from geico, progressive, etc, but if you desire the assistance of an agent to help you better decide your coverages and such, you can buy through them. This will cost more, due to the commission the agent gets off of your premium. So if you're not well informed on insurance, you are willingly paying extra for their services despite the product being the same.

 

[paddywhack]

...this will most likley be my last post, will probably continue to read cus im am not ignorant of new ideas and different views but will probably not post again except on maybee a vary rare occasion.

Yipee !!!! I'd tip you for that if I knew where you worked

Glad you'll continue to read. Maybe that'll help you learn to spell too

 

[blackchipjim]

The tipper goring?

So before this thread gets locked I would like to see more dealers cross over to this side of the fence. Stop wasting your time dealing and make the big money we all enjoy on this side of the cat and mouse game? I have to laugh at the few brave hearts that venture into the lair and speak of lack of crumbs on the floor to gobble up. Geez get a personality first then work on your people skills you presently are lacking both. If you don't like people with brains or IQs that may greater or equal to yours and yes even less don't bother to post here. You got what you came here for and sadly you were able to trip a few triggers so go on your merry way. You may never meet us since they won't let you deal in the high limit rooms and risk chasing customers away.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Dealers at some of the stores around here do quite well for themselves anyway. They certainly make more than most cardcounters!

 

[getwellboss]

Yipee !!!! I'd tip you for that if I knew where you worked

Glad you'll continue to read. Maybe that'll help you learn to spell too

FINALLY somebody said it. It was driving me insane reading that. I just felt bad being a "new guy" and pointing it out.

 

[blackchipjim]

dealer wages?

Which is another point to bring up on dealers. Some make a good living at dealing cards at certain casinos. Tokes make up a portion of that wage so where you work is as important as how you do your job. You have to start at the dives and work your way up the rate ladder and that increases your toke take. If you work in a local that has few stores you are pretty much limited as to where you work so traveling comes into the picture. I know of dealers who play ap games at different stores where they don't work as a supplement to their normal wage. These are far and few as compared to the majority of the dealer population.

 

[aslan]

Which is another point to bring up on dealers. Some make a good living at dealing cards at certain casinos. Tokes make up a portion of that wage so where you work is as important as how you do your job. You have to start at the dives and work your way up the rate ladder and that increases your toke take. If you work in a local that has few stores you are pretty much limited as to where you work so traveling comes into the picture. I know of dealers who play ap games at different stores where they don't work as a supplement to their normal wage. These are far and few as compared to the majority of the dealer population.

You bring up a good point. Dealers can work their way up the income ladder by changing jobs or even within the same organization by moving to the high limit areas. Since ploppies, unlike APs, do play mainly for entertainment, they are more apt to tip, and rich ploppies are more apt to tip well. Since entertainment IS a service, this seems like a fair trade-- a dealer who entertains for tips. However, because I am only entertained by winning, and since dealers seldom do anything to enhance my profits, I remain intractable.

 

[gamblingghost]

Sorry, a commission is an incentive to sell more, not a tip. The customer has nothing whatsoever to do with commissions nor the amount of commissions. It is better characterized as a variable wage determinable by the sales person via his number of sales. No one buys a product he doesn't need so that a salesman can get a commission. Imagine the following conversation:

Consumer: Are you on commission?

Salesperson: Yes. My living depends on how many washing machines I can sell.

Consumer: Well, I don't really need a new washing machine but I feel compelled to buy one so that you can make a decent wage.

Salesperson: Oh, thank you. If I sell three by 5 o'clock, I will get an additional 5% commission.

Consumer: In that case, I'll buy three. Maybe my in laws can use them. Thanks a lot for giving me the opportunity to help you make a decent living. What else do you sell?

Fade to black.

A forced tip at a restaurant for a large party is not a tip at all. First, it is simply an increased price for the food, since you have no choice about it, along with an exemption from tipping. Second, in my case, it is a decrease in the amount that the waiter will get, since I normally tip 20% or more.

On the decency issue and healthcare. No one in the US is denied healthcare. I think you are mixing healthcare with healthcare insurance. If you can't afford healthcare insurance, and you cannot afford to pay a doctor directly, go to the nearest emergency room when you are sick. You will be treated for free. If there were a proposal to help poor people obtain healthcare insurance via a government subsidy, I would not oppose it if it would be at least as good as the free healthcare already given the poor.

Also, I wonder why you say that many conservatives don't want dealers to have healthcare? I have never heard that absurd charge before. Maybe what you mean to say is that many conservatives don't want dealers to have healthcare insurance the way YOU or LIBERALS want to give it. I can surely understand that. There are far better ways to give dealers healthcare insurance (or alternatively, healthcare direct) than the present Obamacare. I get this all the time-- many conservative don't want this or don't want that or want tiny babies to die, or whatever---when the simple fact is, they are only opposed to the methodology, not the end result. Far left liberals, not liberals in general, have a way of demonizing conservatives out of hand without ever giving recognition to their real reasons and intentions. There is hardly an American, let alone a conservative, who does not want everyone to have adequate and reasonably priced healthcare, even free where necessary; it is only the methods that are different. So let's keep this real, realizing that few people anywhere want to deny anyone in real need of the means to a dignified, secure, and healthy existence.

Thank you!! Very well said. Highly appreciated! Aslan rocks!!

 

[21gunsalute]

You bring up a good point. Dealers can work their way up the income ladder by changing jobs or even within the same organization by moving to the high limit areas. Since ploppies, unlike APs, do play mainly for entertainment, they are more apt to tip, and rich ploppies are more apt to tip well. Since entertainment IS a service, this seems like a fair trade-- a dealer who entertains for tips. However, because I am only entertained by winning, and since dealers seldom do anything to enhance my profits, I remain intractable.

I saw a drunk woman the other night flat betting $5 and tip-betting $5 every hand. She couldn't figure out how her money disappeared so fast because she didn't think she was "doing that badly".

 

[21gunsalute]

Yipee !!!! I'd tip you for that if I knew where you worked

Glad you'll continue to read. Maybe that'll help you learn to spell too

I doubt it. Just like you have to be able to crawl before you can walk, you have to be able to spell before you can read.