Tired of counters in Voodoo board

[picasso]

A lot of people will dislike my post, but so be it. Every time someone posts a new voodoo progression, most of what we hear is comments from a counter saying: «it will not work», «you will ruin yourself», «you can’t gain an advantage from a progression» or they will themselves post an obviously useless progression just to make fun of progressionnist. If you post on the voodoo board, please be constructive or bugger out. The sticky’s at the very start tell us what we already know and they are there as reminders. If someone is stupid enough to try anything to win, well he is just that: stupid. So please stay out of the voodoo board if you have nothing constructive to share. I’ve hear the cassette over and over by now. Does it make you feel like a better person or like a narcissistic player by criticizing progressionnist’s ? There is a section four counters: use it appropriately.

 

[Koz1984]

You will not win. You are all stupid.

 

[Machinist]

Huh???

Voodoo doesn't work????? I have some uncles that have a better way of gambling when we go to casinos.......
They claim they can WILL IT TO HAPPEN!!! You have to believe!!!!!! I've seen it work,,,,,,:whip:

Machinist

 

[shadroch]

A lot of people will dislike my post, but so be it. Every time someone posts a new voodoo progression, most of what we hear is comments from a counter saying: «it will not work», «you will ruin yourself», «you can’t gain an advantage from a progression» or they will themselves post an obviously useless progression just to make fun of progressionnist. If you post on the voodoo board, please be constructive or bugger out. The sticky’s at the very start tell us what we already know and they are there as reminders. If someone is stupid enough to try anything to win, well he is just that: stupid. So please stay out of the voodoo board if you have nothing constructive to share. I’ve hear the cassette over and over by now. Does it make you feel like a better person or like a narcissistic player by criticizing progressionnist’s ? There is a section four counters: use it appropriately.

I may be mistaken, but the Voodoo section doesn't exist because Ken and the moderators want people coming here to thrill us with their nonsensical bullshit. It exists so they can weed out the garbage and deposit it somewhere.

 

[paddywhack]

Don't Sugar Coat it Shad!!

I may be mistaken, but the Voodoo section doesn't exist because Ken and the moderators want people coming here to thrill us with their nonsensical bullshit. It exists so they can weed out the garbage and deposit it somewhere.

Let the truth be spoken :laugh::laugh:

 

[pit15]

I may be mistaken, but the Voodoo section doesn't exist because Ken and the moderators want people coming here to thrill us with their nonsensical bullshit. It exists so they can weed out the garbage and deposit it somewhere.

The section only exists to confine all the idiots to it, and so everybody else can come here and ridicule them for trying to win off some stupid progression. That way the "OMG I JUST CAME UP WITH ULTRA-MARTINGALE XVII THAT YOU NEVER LOSE ON" threads don't pop up elsewhere.

Hopefully after everyone makes fun of them, they drop their ridiculous ideas and learn how to count cards

I have a progressive betting system too.

Bet min at true counts <= 1, $50 at 2, $100 at 3, $200 at 4 or higher

But really -- it kills me that people actually are trying to win with some progression, and actually solicit advice on how to tweak some stupid system that will never ever have a chance in hell of working.

 

[shadroch]

I scoff at those Martingalers. Everyone knows Oscars Grind is what it's at.

 

[tensplitter]

A Martingale player could have a 0.0023% risk of ruin with a $65,536 bankroll playing even money bets on single zero roulette at $1 a spin. Average win rate of about $50 an hour, on the electronic roulette machine. However, that risk of ruin adds up with each spin. In a thousand spins, the risk of ruin is 2.3%! Yes, red can come up 16 times in a row. Keep in mind that after say, 10 spins when the machine's max bet is reached, the person can go to the high limit room and continue his progression. If one could borrow billions of dollars to make one single bet, the risk of ruin would be very low. But I don't see a bank willing to go completely bankrupt if someone loses their last 4 bets in a row to add to a 25 bet losing streak. Keep in mind that the bank's probability of losing would be a relatively high 1/16, not 1/2^29 because past losses are meaningless. Imagine betting 536 billion dollars to win one dollar.

With blackjack and a sufficient bankroll, your risk of ruin decreases the more you play.

 

[zengrifter]

I may be mistaken, but the Voodoo section doesn't exist because Ken and the moderators want people coming here to thrill us with their nonsensical bullshit. It exists so they can weed out the garbage and deposit it somewhere.

The VOODOO forum should allow voodoo practitioners to debate their flawed theories and practices. Especially the better known scalawags - I was very disappointed to see actual voodoo luminaries like E. Clifton Davis get banned.

BJINFO and its moderators have never understood the purpose of the BJINFO VOODOO forum. zg

 

[zengrifter]

Voodoo doesn't work????? I have some uncles that have a better way of gambling when we go to casinos.......
They claim they can WILL IT TO HAPPEN!!! You have to believe!!!!!! I've seen it work,,,,,,:whip:

Amen to that, Brother Chinist! zg

 

[pit15]

A Martingale player could have a 0.0023% risk of ruin with a $65,536 bankroll playing even money bets on single zero roulette at $1 a spin. Average win rate of about $50 an hour, on the electronic roulette machine. However, that risk of ruin adds up with each spin. In a thousand spins, the risk of ruin is 2.3%! Yes, red can come up 16 times in a row. Keep in mind that after say, 10 spins when the machine's max bet is reached, the person can go to the high limit room and continue his progression. If one could borrow billions of dollars to make one single bet, the risk of ruin would be very low. But I don't see a bank willing to go completely bankrupt if someone loses their last 4 bets in a row to add to a 25 bet losing streak. Keep in mind that the bank's probability of losing would be a relatively high 1/16, not 1/2^29 because past losses are meaningless. Imagine betting 536 billion dollars to win one dollar.

With blackjack and a sufficient bankroll, your risk of ruin decreases the more you play.

Well, that's one way to do it.

Get a marker for 65 grand, make 50 bucks an hour till you go bust then stiff the casino.

 

[21gunsalute]

A lot of people will dislike my post, but so be it. Every time someone posts a new voodoo progression, most of what we hear is comments from a counter saying: «it will not work», «you will ruin yourself», «you can’t gain an advantage from a progression» or they will themselves post an obviously useless progression just to make fun of progressionnist. If you post on the voodoo board, please be constructive or bugger out. The sticky’s at the very start tell us what we already know and they are there as reminders. If someone is stupid enough to try anything to win, well he is just that: stupid. So please stay out of the voodoo board if you have nothing constructive to share. I’ve hear the cassette over and over by now. Does it make you feel like a better person or like a narcissistic player by criticizing progressionnist’s ? There is a section four counters: use it appropriately.

You sound like someone who claims to believe in free speech and then tries to silence anyone and everyone who has an opinion different from his own.

We aren't talking about opinion here though. We're talking about facts, logic and mathematics, and if someone posts or boasts about a system that defies factual evidence, logic and/or mathematics we should have every right to call out such an individual and set the record straight.

 

[Finrod]

Flaming Progression Players

I find it amusing to watch the progression players post a progression question for feedback and then watch the inevitable anihalation.

I myself fully understand that progression strategies are an exercise in futility, but I understand that for some people they are an intellectual pursuit (in futility). If it entertains their mind and keeps them engaged, so be it. Just hope they don't plan on getting rich doing it.

But ripping them a new one seems a bit out of line. I know the gentle reminders are pervasive through this site and people get tired of reminding them, but really is it necessary? That was a rhetorical question. It is amusing to watch.

BTW this is my first post. I have been lurking around here for quite some time and am starting to feel a bit guilty about it.

 

[Sucker]

The sticky’s at the very start tell us what we already know and they are there as reminders.

I would suggest to the OP that he rereads the stickys, before trying to incorrectly use them as the basis for his argument. For example; this statement by one of the moderators, and lifted from a sticky:

This forum is not a place to promote your voodoo system, make false/unfounded claims about the effectiveness of such systems or spread inaccurate information about playing/betting strategies.

Someone who is trying to portray a false system as fact, is BREAKING this rule, and the regular posters here not only have a right, but have a DUTY to point out the fallacy in the system. This is what's known as CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.

So please stay out of the voodoo board if you have nothing constructive to share.

On at least one occasion I have pointed out an error in logic in one of these systems, and after giving it further thought, the OP of that particular thread thanked me. This is what's known as PRODUCTIVE DIALOG. What can be more constructive than THIS?

 

[zengrifter]

Someone who is trying to portray a false system as fact, is BREAKING [BJINFO] rule, and the regular posters here not only have a right, but have a DUTY to point out the fallacy in the system. This is what's known as CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.

BJINFO needs to LIGHTEN UP around VOODOO forum.
Its not called the VOODOO DEBUNKING forum.
Its an invitation: Voodoo Betting Strategies. zg

 

[blackchipjim]

The voo in doo?

Yes I find that some people who post here to be amusing to say the least. Some take this part of the forum as target practice at the uninformed. The levels of volley here have reached cresendos that have not been found anywhere else currently available on the site. A certain zone board use to satisfy the ravenous appetite of wolves ready to gorge themselves on oppinions and rebuttals of posters but, no more.

 

[aslan]

You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape the house edge! :joker: j/k

What is it with progression players in the Voodoo forum? Don't they know what is meant by Voodoo? I actually believe that Voodoo, the Haitian practice, or religious belief in general, has a better chance of winning than these progression systems. At least Voodoo or religion does not claim to be scientifically verifiable. If you win, then "Faith can move mountains"; if you lose, "Oh, ye of little faith!"

Picasso, my son, I like your paintings better than your gambling proclivities. You have no right to call for a ban on counters here. Counters may save your listeners from losing their hard earned money. They should be allowed, even encouraged, to speak their minds on the dangers, as well as the virtues (such as for cover), of systems discussed here. This is after all an AP Forum. The purpose in part is to help people in becoming advantage players, and so progression systems touted as winning systems cannot go unanswered. It's the nature of the beast.

Now if this were a site that believed progressions were a winning strategy, then I would honor your contention that naysayers are intruders; but being that it isn't, then everyone who posts a progression system, especially after reading the sticky threads, should know that their offerings will not be received as credible. Honest inquiry is one thing--how is my system flawed?--but actually touting losing systems as winning systems is begging to be debunked. If an AP site doesn't do it, who then?

 

[aslan]

BJINFO needs to LIGHTEN UP around VOODOO forum.
Its not called the VOODOO DEBUNKING forum.
Its an invitation: Voodoo Betting Strategies. zg

Like the Zen Zone it is exactly that! That is, it is an open invitation to debunk any progression or other voodoo system that anyone might want to tout as a winning system.

This is an AP Bulletin Board. Part of the mission of this board is to help users learn advantage skills. Allowing voodoo strategies to be pushed or expressed as winning strategies would do a disservice to users aspiring to become advantage players. True, the thread is marked as voodoo, but that should be more an invitation to discuss why voodoo systems do not work, or what the flaw is in a particular system, than to present progression systems as winning systems.

When this is no longer an AP Forum, I will leave. But as long as it is an AP Forum, and as long as it considers progression betting systems to be losing systems, I will continue to add my two cents, which I hope may save some newbie from blowing his cash. The fact that the OP takes offense to progression systems being debunked is proof positive that it is working, and that quite possibly newbies are being kept from unnecessary losses.

 

[zengrifter]

This is an AP Bulletin Board. Part of the mission of this board is to help users learn advantage skills. Allowing voodoo strategies to be pushed as winning strategies would do a disservice to users aspiring to become advantage players.

Not pushed, just expressed. And expressed, but not without criticism. zg

 

[aslan]

Not pushed, just expressed. And expressed, but not without criticism. zg

I have edited my original post to read "pushed or expressed." You cannot deny that sometimes progressions have been pushed as winning strategies. For the OP to suggest that counters be forbidden from posting in the Voodoo threads is ridiculous. If that were the case, then the Voodoo forum would be better spun off as was the Zen Zone.