Tropicana update

Ethan

Active Member
Trop & behaved APs or shut-out APs

Ferretnparrot said:
Well, i still havnt had any serious trouble here at these games, save getting shuffled on one time (out of paranoia)

One thing iv just coe to realise that is now what i beleive to be possibly of serious concern. I specifically recall 5 different times that i have been playing the game and have had this old "cubs fan looking" guy in a baseball cap watching the game, not just my game, any one of those 4 tables, he never plays, he just stands behind the game and watches, he doesnt come and watch for like 30 minutes and goes away, when hes there, hes been there the whole time i was there, and like i said, 5 different days that i have been there, he has been there possibly more.

I am convinced he is either part of a blackjack team or a counter catcher, anybody else notice this guy loitering a lot?


Ferret, the capped-glassed-big-chubby-quiet-guy of whom the pitcritter called him "Dennis" is one of the well-known and behaved APs. Trop allows him to bet less than 100 bucks per jump-in. "Dennis" is a very very patient AP. He will wait for hours after hours before he places his bet. Many times he does not bet at all when his key cards never show up the way he likes them to be.

21forme said:
Ferret - re your question about the guy in the baseball cap, he's an old time counter that the pit knows well, so he can't play. Why he hangs around all the time is a mystery to me.
21forme, I disagree with your highlighted comment. He hangs around to wait for his key cards to show up. We frequently see "Dennis" in Trop, but he bets infrequently depending on how his key cards come about, so he's allowed and welcomed as long as he behaves.

By the way, a misbehaved AP had made troubled for the pitcritters several weeks ago, and his picture was at all the pits to make sure he could not get any decent game. So guys, the choice is yours: be a behaved AP or a shut-out AP.
 
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Ethan said:
...By the way, a misbehaved AP had made troubled for the pitcritters several weeks ago, and his picture was at all the pits to make sure he could not get any decent game. So guys, the choice is yours: be a behaved AP or a shut-out AP.
Or be an AP who behaves any way he chooses, and remains unknown as an AP.

Trying to make friends with the pit is a dumb idea. They hate us. They don't appreciate our intelligence, they don't admire our guts, they're not going to be nice to us if we're nice to them. If we're not losers, we are their enemy and that's all there is to it. So get over it.

And I'm not crazy about them either. I'd rather take as much of their money as I can, using the standard AP evasions, and if they don't like it they can blow me, I'll just sneak back.
 
I strongly suggest you do not publicly discuss specific shuffles, methods of attacking shuffles, or shuffle countermeasures. You risk depriving your colleagues of their income with posts such as these. Yourself included, because no one is going to share confidential information with you if there is a risk of it being posted on a website.
 

Ethan

Active Member
More Trop stuff

Automatic Monkey said:
I strongly suggest you do not publicly discuss specific shuffles, methods of attacking shuffles, or shuffle countermeasures. You risk depriving your colleagues of their income with posts such as these. Yourself included, because no one is going to share confidential information with you if there is a risk of it being posted on a website.
Thanks for your post and warnings. Yo Panda, I'll not share with you anymore shuffling secretive things; however, I'm going to share with you the less sensitive stuff :grin:: Wow, Trop offers 2 tables of $5 6deckers at the Tango's pit with decent pens during the swingshift recently. Hey Trop really wants your business. Don't let it disappointed :grin:
 
Ethan said:
Thanks for your post and warnings. Yo Panda, I'll not share with you anymore shuffling secretive things; however, I'm going to share with you the less sensitive stuff :grin:: Wow, Trop offers 2 tables of $5 6deckers at the Tango's pit with decent pens during the swingshift recently. Hey Trop really wants your business. Don't let it disappointed :grin:
the shuffle isn't a big deal...
 

Ethan

Active Member
No more talk on shuffling please

kungfupanda said:
the shuffle isn't a big deal...

Yo Panda, Some APs on this board had politely, publicly and or privately, asked me to stay away from shuffle discussion here. I don't want to rock the boat, so that's it for me about the shuffle. Let's bring on the next subject please---Hey how's your Christmas so far :grin:?
 

FLASH1296

Well-Known Member
From anthony curtis' las vegas advisor


Q:
I have read that the Tropicana is bankrupt and in trouble with regulators in Atlantic City, but I do not know the whole story. Can you give us a summary of the "troubles at the Trop"?
A:
An entire book, or at least a series of articles, could be written on the short and very stormy tenure of Columbia Sussex in Atlantic City and Las Vegas. This company had an unusual talent for setting off antagonism -- and nowhere more so than along the Boardwalk.
Tropicana Casino & Resort Atlantic City, along with its sister property on the Las Vegas Strip, was the flagship of Aztar Corp., which Columbia Sussex purchased in a spirited 2006 bidding war. Although attention focused on the Las Vegas Trop, which was viewed as overdue for redevelopment, the Atlantic City Trop was far and away Aztar’s greatest revenue driver. It brought in as much money by itself as all of Aztar’s other casinos combined.

Columbia Sussex’s first mistake (of many) was to overpay for Aztar when the market was already at its peak. CEO William J. Yung III wanted Aztar at any cost, so he later said, and was induced into bidding against himself in order to close the deal. With Pinnacle Entertainment standing pat on a $51-per-share offer, Aztar coaxed Yung into tacking a dollar per share onto his $53 bid, for a winning offer of $2.75 billion. That extra dollar-per-share premium alone cost Yung $110 million. "I thought I got a bargain," Yung told the Las Vegas Business Press.

The Aztar purchase marked the culmination of a Columbia Sussex growth spurt. In 2005-06 it acquired Caesars Tahoe, two riverboat casinos spun off by Penn National Gaming, and 14 Wyndham hotels. It was leveraged to the hilt and it didn't take long for the question of how buying the Tropicanas would pay off to arise.

If Yung was worried, he gave no indication, saying he had five financiers vying to underwrite a partial tear-down and redevelopment of the Las Vegas Tropicana. He promised to expand his newly acquired Casino Aztar riverboat operation and, of Columbia Sussex’s casino division, he said, "We’re going to have to staff up."

Perhaps the first sign of trouble came when Yung pooh-poohed the threat to Atlantic City posed by casinos and racinos in Pennsylvania. Contrary to his promise to staff up, he told Casino Enterprise Management magazine that the Trops would be run by existing Columbia Sussex hotel staff, except for the casino proper, and that hotel cleaning staff would pull double duty in the casino. "We’ve done it everywhere," he said, revealing a one-size-fits-all mentality that would lead to his downfall in New Jersey.

According to Evansville Business magazine, Yung expected to make money "by squeezing operating efficiencies out of Aztar’s existing properties … a technique he learned while improving factory efficiencies at the Andrew Jergens soap plant in Cincinnati, where he was employed as an industrial engineer before he broke into the hospitality business in the 1980s."

It was later revealed that, in the course of meeting with potential financiers, Yung promised them a sizable return on investment, predicated on massive staffing cuts that would save as much as $40 million. (Yung did not share this tidbit with regulators, which also caused him trouble down the road.)

Mass sackings quickly became the order of the day at the A.C. Trop, where between 690 and 1,060 workers (accounts vary) were pink-slipped following Columbia Sussex’s Jan. 3, 2007, takeover, starting with president Pam Popielarski. Once attrition was factored in, the workforce reduction topped 1,300. (Columbia Sussex later claimed that the Aztar casinos were overstaffed by as much as 50%.) Management services were outsourced to Columbia Sussex’s central office in Fort Mitchell, Ky., which then billed the Trops for the privilege.

Yung rationalized all this to Wall Street by saying the Trop "had many more personnel than its competitors in the market," apparently ignoring the fact that it also had more hotel rooms than any of them and the third-largest slot floor. Yung contended that, since the Trop’s revenues were commensurate with those of the (smaller) Showboat, it should staff accordingly.

Eventually, this mentality resulted in the A.C. Trop having only 23 slot technicians, total, to service at least 3,800 machines on a round-the-clock basis. The limo department was scrapped, as were casino hosts. (Yung later claimed he didn’t realize Atlantic City was a "player relationship business.") Thus, the casino with the third-highest number of table games and slots and the most rooms ended up with the fifth-largest workforce in town.

Yung’s policies quickly made enemies throughout New Jersey. The Press of Atlantic City editorialized against his "slash-and-burn business model." A spate of union elections were coming up and other casino owners allegedly pleaded with Yung to go easy, lest he drive workers into the unions’ arms. The Columbia Sussex CEO is said to have turned a deaf ear to those pleas. Not surprisingly, these same owners either covertly supported a subsequent anti-Yung drive by the UNITE-HERE union or stayed on the sidelines.

Robert McDevitt, president of Local 54 of UNITE-HERE, in a letter to The Press, contended that 75% of the Trop’s housekeeping staff had been given the axe, adding, "On any day, the restrooms at the Tropicana might remind you of something found in a major city bus terminal." (An LVA secret-shopper report discovered similar conditions at the Vegas Trop.)

McDevitt elaborated subsequently to the Philadelphia Inquirer, saying "Columbia-Sussex doesn't operate casino properties," he said. "They strip-mine them -- taking everything out and bringing nothing back, and that's a recipe for disaster, not success." That blast was prompted by Yung’s firing of Popielarski’s replacement, Fred Buro, who later testified he lost his job because he balked at even deeper cuts.

Some of the Trop’s proposed job eliminations brought it into conflict with the New Jersey Casino Control Commission. The Garden State mandates basic staffing levels for certain casino positions (no fewer than one pit boss per every 20 table games, for example). Columbia Sussex sought to reduce the number of Trop security guards by 40% and to cut slot technicians and locksmiths below state minimums. It was, not surprisingly, rebuffed.

But cutback after cutback appeared to be Yung’s default response to increasing competition and sliding Trop revenues (partly due to the Pennsylvania casinos Yung had mistakenly belittled), which declined $19 million in the first six months of Columbia Sussex’s ownership. By the end of Yung’s lone year at the helm of the Tropicana, its casino win had fallen $56 million, or 12%, the steepest drop experienced by any Atlantic City casino that year.

In a move that betrayed the shakiness of his financial situation, Yung attempted to unload the Trop’s $285 million new retail mall, the Quarter, but pulled back after prospective buyers, evidently sensing his desperation, offered no more than $70 million.

"In order to compete in the Atlantic City market, Tropicana cannot solely focus on cost-reduction measures," warned Deutsche Bank gaming analyst Andrew Zarnett, citing a need for increasing comping and better customer service. Or, as former Trop executive Dennis Gomes later observed, the casino business is one in which "you can’t save your way to prosperity." Added the editorial page of the Cherry Hill, N.J., Courier Post: "Under the awful stewardship of Columbia Sussex owner William Yung III, the Tropicana quickly went from one of Atlantic City's hottest casinos to one of the most tarnished and poorly run."

As far as public perception was concerned, the final nail in Columbia Sussex’s coffin was a 15-page letter to the company, dated Sept. 24, 2007, from the National Environmental Health Association. NEHA Executive Director Nelson Fabian informed Columbia Sussex his association would be making only a partial payment of $75,000 on its bill for a convention at the Trop. "In twenty-five years of conference planning and management, this hotel experience was by the worst I have every gone through," Fabian explained. "I have never come away from any conference so thoroughly exasperated with a host hotel."

The NEHA’s litany of complaints including "indifferent and uncaring staff," uncooperative management, Internet service that was likened to a Third World country’s, food that either went missing or was incorrectly supplied (for instance, a buffet stocked with frozen pretzels and melted ice cream bars), dirtiness, theft, vermin, racial discrimination, etc. Referring to Yung’s layoffs, he added, "Little wonder that the hotel had such a difficult time keeping up with the demands that we placed on it …

"The hotel certainly succeeded in sending a message that it didn’t care about our convention," Fabian concluded, while one of his board members added that the Trop "was a step or two below a Super 8." Comments like these, plus the release of other customer complaints, cemented the public image of a Sussex-ized Trop that was filthy and run on the cheap.

These disclosures were an inauspicious prelude to the New Jersey Casino Control Commission’s license-renewal hearings, which convened in November. (Columbia Sussex was operating under a provisional one-year license.) The Division of Gaming Enforcement had already probed the situation at the Trop and recommended against issuing the standard five-year license in favor of a probationary one-year renewal, with any further renewal to be contingent on the satisfaction of no fewer than 26 conditions.

The DGE revealed that the Trop had racked up 21 warning letters (and $90,000 in penalties) in nine months, almost a fourth of the warning letters sent to all Atlantic City casinos during that period. Some dealt with customer complaints, but most involved procedural mishaps.

The Casino Control Commission was even less forgiving than the DGE. On Dec. 12, it voted 4-1 to revoke Columbia Sussex’s license, prompting Trop workers in attendance to burst into cheers.

Many were the sins of Columbia Sussex in the NJCCC’s view, particularly a persistent and willful flouting of New Jersey laws. For instance, casinos in Atlantic City are required to have independent audit committees. At first, Columbia Sussex tried to staff this with company insiders. Then its "independent" committee of one turned out to be an attorney already on retainer to the Trop. The management fees paid by the Trop to Columbia Sussex HQ also proved to be a New Jersey no-no. Nor did it sit well when Yung tried to circumvent scrutiny by disguising an equity infusion from Columbia Sussex as a loan.

The crudity of Yung’s staffing formulas caused problems. He told the DGE he "was pretty confident that he was able to keep other casinos that he owns clean with the same number of staff that he was targeting the Tropicana AC for." Unfortunately for Yung (and Trop patrons), all his other pre-Aztar casinos were properties of considerably smaller size and in smaller markets than the Trop. As the NJCCC put it, "His reliance on his experience with his other casinos in much smaller markets simply did not translate into an ability to understand and run a property the magnitude of the Tropicana."

Constant executive turnover was another source of dismay, particularly when Columbia Sussex went through four chief financial officers in 2007 alone. In sworn testimony, Trop executives frequently pleaded ignorance of company business dealings or said they were out of the loop with one another.

The NJCCC even branded Ssome testimony as perjury. Perhaps the final straw was a report on the Trop’s security needs. To determine these, Yung brought in his man from Lake Tahoe (where Columbia Sussex leased two casinos). In conversations with Trop executives, the Tahoe gumshoe recommended staffing increases. By the time his report had gone through Yung’s office, however, the proposed increases had morphed into further decreases. The NJCCC had one word for Columbia Sussex’s official version of events: "unbelievable."

Citing various criteria set forth in New Jersey law, and particularly Columbia Sussex’s "lack of good character, honesty and integrity and contumacious defiance of the regulatory defiance of the regulatory process," the NJCCC voted to strip Columbia Sussex of its license forthwith. ("Contumacious" is basically a nice word for a "screw-you" attitude.) Furthermore, it was fined $750,000 –- still unpaid -– primarily for the hanky-panky surrounding the audit committee. Even the lone dissenter, Vice Chairman Michael Fedorko, conceded that Yung & Co. "were ill-prepared upon assuming control of the Tropicana to operate a casino hotel of this magnitude."

With Columbia Sussex tottering under debt from both the Aztar and Wyndham acquisitions, Yung was ill-prepared to withstand the loss of the Trop. It represented more than a third of the cash flow for his entire casino portfolio. Once the Trop was confiscated, a cat’s cradle of interlocking loans quickly began to unravel. By the end of January, a debtor lawsuit accused Columbia Sussex of being "deeply insolvent" and by May, subsidiary Tropicana Entertainment had filed for bankruptcy.

But that’s another (long)
 

Ethan

Active Member
Trop's laissez-faire policy for the behaved APs

Hey Guys, it's still good news that Trop continues to extend its laissez-faire policy for the behaved APs. Thanks to some purple chippers for having their money burnt at the 4decker pit --- like money grows from a tree, then falls into a bon fire! Dealers just take their purple chips as if they take candies from babies. With all the money Trop has made from those suckers, I can see why pitcritters have given some breaks to us ---AKA--- Trop's laissez-faire policy for the behaved APs :grin:.
 

FLASH1296

Well-Known Member
A Tropicana Trip Report

I received an email from a good friend who had never been to Atlantic City before.
He wanted to play the four deckers, as he had heard about the Tropicana. Here is his email:


"Went to the Tropicana yesterday. Lost 8 units in 5 hours, basically ground
static. I had some trouble converting my 2 spot betting ramp to 1 spot
without looking obvious or grossly overbetting at 0 and tc+1, and so my
spread was only 7.5 instead of 10 or 15, which contributed to the lousy
result, as I forfeit 5 units of win in two max bets of 7.5 units rather than
10 units.

There are four 4 deck games, cut to about 70- 75%, not the deeper pen' you had been told.
The three open tables were always full, and playing two spots was not a practical option,
nor was wonging except to wong-out to the bathroom when the count went seriously south.

But, the biggest negative was the almost unimaginably slow rate of
play by the dealers. Never have I seen, in the worst, most laid back
Caribbean backwater casino, dealers who moved as slowly as these clowns.
The floorpeople did nothing whatever to speed things up, the players just
sat around and looked at each other waiting for something to happen as the
dealers spread 4 decks into 6 pick piles and then picked from each of the
piles for each of the 5 or so single riffles, resulting in a lousy shuffle
as a bonus. A good shoe went at about 50 hands/hr., some were slower. They
could double their drop just by getting playing speed up to normal through
insisting the dealers be concious when dealing and shuffling.

After this trip to AC, assuming the Tropicana is in any way representative,
I understand why the casinos there are having trouble. $5 to park??
Payable when you leave, with no ticket so no chance for a comp?? A
mediocore lunch buffet for $24.95 plus stiff NJ sales taxes?? A barely
passable coffee shop sandwich for $16?? Tables so close together that
adults sitting at adjoining third and first base spots are actively in each
other's way if both weigh more than 100 pounds?? Count me OUT.

Surprise, surprise, the floorman told me he had just heard the four deck
tables were not getting enough play to justify keeping them open. But, all
open tables were full, lots of green chips were flying, and had they opened
the fourth four deck table, I suspect it would have filled quickly. And,
this all on a Monday late morning through the afternoon. But, not enough to
justify keeping the games open. May they rot in well deserved bankruptcy."
 
FLASH1296 said:
I received an email from a good friend who had never been to Atlantic City before.
He wanted to play the four deckers, as he had heard about the Tropicana. Here is his email:...



Excellent observations from your friend. The way AC casinos manage their properties and treat customers borders on pathological. You are overcharged for everything, and it feels like they are going out of their way to make everything crowded and uncomfortable. Sometimes I think they intentionally overcrowd the BJ tables because they believe it will drive people over to playing other, unpopular games with much higher house edges.
 

blackjack avenger

Well-Known Member
Casinos and Table Management

Ok, they have 3 full tables and 1 empty table. These are desirable games apparently or the 3 tables would not be full. If the casino says they are not making enough money from these tables what should they do?

Hmmmmm

Here are some insane ideas:

1. Open the 4th table.
2. Raise the limits until the tables are very busy but not full.

If a table is full it's actually a bad thing, the limits need to be raised.

Also, I call BS on the tables not making enough. The tables make enough, but the overhead is to high! A bj table probably easily pulls a grand an hour.
 

Ethan

Active Member
Free parking, drinks, lunches and dinners

FLASH1296 said:
I received an email from a good friend who had never been to Atlantic City before.
He wanted to play the four deckers, as he had heard about the Tropicana. Here is his email:


"...After this trip to AC, assuming the Tropicana is in any way representative,
I understand why the casinos there are having trouble. $5 to park??
Payable when you leave, with no ticket so no chance for a comp?? A
mediocore lunch buffet for $24.95 plus stiff NJ sales taxes?? A barely
passable coffee shop sandwich for $16?? Tables so close together that
adults sitting at adjoining third and first base spots are actively in each
other's way if both weigh more than 100 pounds?? Count me OUT...

"

Your friend could have free stuff like parking, drinks, lunches and dinners. Like anything else, some things come to you free if you know where to look and how to find & get them. For example, there are free internet hookups 24/7 only if you keep you eyes open and know where to look. I get burnt for posting about the shuffling stuff as requested by Panda, and some APs have been "up in arms against me" both publicly and privately. So, I've learned that "self-fish as a starved guy" is necessary on this board, and all I can tell you guys are these---think harder, look harder, and you will find freebies :grin:.
 
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bj bob

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Ethan said:
I get burnt for posting about the shuffling stuff as requested by Panda, and some APs have been "up in arms against me" both publicly and privately. So, I've learned that "self-fish as a starved guy" is necessary on this board, and all I can tell you guys are these---think harder, look harder, and you will find freebies :grin:.
You have to know where to draw the line on sharing information publicly. Sensitive AP observations such as weak shuffles, flashing dealers, extreme penetration opportunities are best left private and to be shared "off forum" with only a select and trusted few. This forum is no doubt frequently monitored by "them" and such inside info. has been used to kill those valuable opportunities for all other AP's.
On the other hand, promos such as double comp periods, one day events ala. 2:1 blackjack, Free Ace coupons, discounts or freebies on buffets or rooms are perfectly OK to share with the general forum. Bottom line- think before you leak.
 

Ethan

Active Member
To share info or not

bj bob said:
You have to know where to draw the line on sharing information publicly. Sensitive AP observations such as weak shuffles, flashing dealers, extreme penetration opportunities are best left private and to be shared "off forum" with only a select and trusted few. This forum is no doubt frequently monitored by "them" and such inside info. has been used to kill those valuable opportunities for all other AP's.
On the other hand, promos such as double comp periods, one day events ala. 2:1 blackjack, Free Ace coupons, discounts or freebies on buffets or rooms are perfectly OK to share with the general forum. Bottom line- think before you leak.
Hey Bob, I like to add to your bottom line: "Silence is Golden" or " silence is a selfish shutting-the-world-off, a withdrawal behind closed doors posted with a 'Do Not Disturb' sign." It all depends on who the readers are. For example, some APs will piss off at you for sharing the 2for1 BJ promotion, i.e., too many APs have flocked to the casino and force it to cancel the promotion at its discretion at anytime without notice. On the other hand, since you have implied it's OK to share freebies, I'm sharing these with you guys---free parking is offered at Trump Plaza---Park & walk over to Trop, and free lunches and dinners are... OOOps, some APs will piss at me for leaking the goodies! Oh well, you can NOT win them all, such as my sharing of the shuffling stuff with Panda, right? The disgruntled ones always speak out loud and clear whereas the rest of benefitted guys remain silent.
 
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Ethan said:
Hey Bob, I like to add to your bottom line: "Silence is Golden" or " silence is a selfish shutting-the-world-off, a withdrawal behind closed doors posted with a 'Do Not Disturb' sign." It all depends on who the readers are. For example, some APs will piss off at you for sharing the 2for1 BJ promotion, i.e., too many APs have flocked to the casino and force it to cancel the promotion at its discretion at anytime without notice. On the other hand, since you have implied it's OK to share freebies, I'm sharing these with you guys---free parking is offered at Trump Plaza---Park & walk over to Trop, and free lunches and dinners are... OOOps, some APs will piss at me for leaking the goodies! Oh well, you can NOT win them all, such as my sharing of the shuffling stuff with Panda, right? The disgruntled ones always speak out loud and clear whereas the rest of benefitted guys remain silent.
As a general rule, anything the casino shares with any member of the public you can publicize. They tell people about their promotions and freebies, that's just fine. Anything that involves research specific to a casino or dealer, like shuffle and holecard opportunities, or methods of beating nontraditional games or sidebets is taboo on these sites. If you really are an AP you will find it in your best interest to do your own research and in time you will encounter individuals and small groups willing to share with you, privately.
 

Ethan

Active Member
An easier rule of thumb for posting on this board

Automatic Monkey said:
As a general rule, anything the casino shares with any member of the public you can publicize. They tell people about their promotions and freebies, that's just fine. Anything that involves research specific to a casino or dealer, like shuffle and holecard opportunities, or methods of beating nontraditional games or sidebets is taboo on these sites. If you really are an AP you will find it in your best interest to do your own research and in time you will encounter individuals and small groups willing to share with you, privately.
After reading comments from Rukus, Monkey, Bob, etc..., I have a light bulb flashed inside of my head, and an easier rule of thumb pops up in my brain. --- "What's for me?"-- should be asked before I post from now on. For example--- before I leak the free meal info on this board, I would ask: "What's for me?" Answer: Nothing, thus I should not share the info. For another example, ----say before I answer Panda's question about the shuffling procedure at Trop's 4decker pit, I would ask: "What's for me?" Answer: Nothing, thus I will ignore Panda's question. So guys, what do you think? Please give your 2 cents in regard to "What's for me?" before posting.
 
Ethan said:
After reading comments from Rukus, Monkey, Bob, etc..., I have a light bulb flashed inside of my head, and an easier rule of thumb pops up in my brain. --- "What's for me?"-- should be asked before I post from now on. For example--- before I leak the free meal info on this board, I would ask: "What's for me?" Answer: Nothing, thus I should not share the info. For another example, ----say before I answer Panda's question about the shuffling procedure at Trop's 4decker pit, I would ask: "What's for me?" Answer: Nothing, thus I will ignore Panda's question. So guys, what do you think? Please give your 2 cents in regard to "What's for me?" before posting.
I already gave you something of value: advice to stop acting like a casino troll and instead discuss the game like the rest of us do, with respect for the sensitive information of the game, if you want people to share confidential information with you.

In a previous post you suggested that players at the Trop keep themselves at a $100 per round maximum bet. How much money per hour do your calculations say you would be making at the Trop with a $100 maximum bet?
 

ChefJJ

Well-Known Member
Flash,

Your friend's Trop report email was good. Thanks. I agree that most AC casinos charging for parking is pretty ridiculous. :joker:

good luck
 

Ethan

Active Member
"What's for me?" part 2

Automatic Monkey said:
I already gave you something of value: advice to stop acting like a casino troll and instead discuss the game like the rest of us do, with respect for the sensitive information of the game, if you want people to share confidential information with you.?
So you've attempted falsely to accuse me of a casino troll. If you were right about me being a so called "casino troll", why would I be the first one to report the Trop's 6 deckers? Why would I be the first one to report the Trop's unique shuffle? Why would I be the first one to provide this useful link "http://www.njccc.gov/casinos/financi...811revenue.pdf" before Flash reposted here 1 day later and further reposted onto the bj21.com? Why would I be the first one to share the free parking info on Trump Plaza, etc...? I may even be the first one to share the free lunch and dinner info, but what's for me, Monkey?

Automatic Monkey said:
In a previous post you suggested that players at the Trop keep themselves at a $100 per round maximum bet. How much money per hour do your calculations say you would be making at the Trop with a $100 maximum bet?
What's for me to answer your question? I should not enlighten you except for the benefit of other readers here. There are 2 options playing in the Trop's 4 decker pit.

1) Milking some profit then moving onto other casinos, and returning back to Trop next time, or

2) Killing for whatever profit you can make, and blacklisted by Trop. The blacklisted APs will hurt not only themselves but the milking APs at the pit as some "collateral damage" victims.

Note, milking some profit endlessly is always better than killing for one time only in AC---unless you don't want to return to AC for a long time. Apparently Monkey mistakes that APs can only milk in Trop only. There are other casinos a milker can make some profits. A little bit of profit at a time adds up. Don't forget---the ocean comes about--- 1 drop at a time over a long long time.
 
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