Tropicana update

[Sonny]

"What's for me?"-- should be asked before I post from now on.

That’s a good start. You should always ask your self “What do I gain or how much could I lose by giving this information away publicly?” If it might jeopardize a valuable opportunity for you, keep it to yourself or share it privately with people you trust. A better question would be “Who will this information hurt?” Giving away the location of some free parking spots might make them a bit more crowded but it won’t really hurt anyone’s game. Announcing that a specific casino has a beatable shuffle and publicly describing it will kill the opportunity for everyone very quickly. It’s always safe to assume that other people are taking advantage of the same opportunities you have found so try not to step on anyone else’s toes. As a professional courtesy to others, try not to kill any games even if you don’t think anyone is playing them. Just having the casinos know that they are vulnerable can go a long way towards educating them about how to protect themselves. Telling people how to get a free luch probably won't hurt your fellow players much, but describing a beatable shuffle might just kill that opportunity in many casinos across the world. That hurts all of us.

-Sonny-

 

[Ethan]

More on freebies and Trop's "Sh" word

That’s a good start. You should always ask your self “What do I gain or how much could I lose by giving this information away publicly?” If it might jeopardize a valuable opportunity for you, keep it to yourself or share it privately with people you trust. A better question would be “Who will this information hurt?” Giving away the location of some free parking spots might make them a bit more crowded but it won’t really hurt anyone’s game. Announcing that a specific casino has a beatable shuffle and publicly describing it will kill the opportunity for everyone very quickly. It’s always safe to assume that other people are taking advantage of the same opportunities you have found so try not to step on anyone else’s toes. As a professional courtesy to others, try not to kill any games even if you don’t think anyone is playing them. Just having the casinos know that they are vulnerable can go a long way towards educating them about how to protect themselves. Telling people how to get a free lunch probably won't hurt your fellow players much, but describing a beatable shuffle might just kill that opportunity in many casinos across the world. That hurts all of us.

-Sonny-

Greetings Sonny, I'm sold by your comments. I have sensed that you're a well educated poster in order to write the above useful suggestions. I like to clarify a few things I had previous posted. 1) Freebies. I've learned that exchanging or charging useful info are much better than just giving info away free, i.e., some APs charge about 15% of gross revenue made or savings recieved, not bad, huh? Thus, I will exchange or charge my freebie info with anyone interested from now on. 2) Trop's come-on shuffle. It seems that most APs on this board have failed to give credit to Trop pitcritters. LOOK, THEY ARE NOT STUPID about its simple shuffling procedure. The shuffle is "a come-on, take your best shot" gimmick. For example, a tracker-wannabie waged purple chips and lost his shirt without any interference from the pitcritters. On the other hand, a real threatening tracker was counter- measured with the "plugging cards after each round". That real McCoy finally left that pits gracefully. So, to AC comrades, please DO NOT THINK THOSE PITCRITTERS ARE STUPID. Casinos get lots of financial & human resources, and they get money to buy the best tracker to come up with the deadly "plugging cards after each round" countermeasure against the real McCoies. Sonny, please respond. I sincerely like to pick your brain, get myself more educated, and become a more informed & well round player. :grin:

 

[bjcount]

Greetings Sonny, I'm sold by your comments. I have sensed that you're a well educated poster in order to write the above useful suggestions. I like to clarify a few things I had previous posted. 1) Freebies. I've learned that exchanging or charging useful info are much better than just giving info away free, i.e., some APs charge about 15% of gross revenue made or savings recieved, not bad, huh? Thus, I will exchange or charge my freebie info with anyone interested from now on. 2) Trop's come-on shuffle. It seems that most APs on this board have failed to give credit to Trop pitcritters. LOOK, THEY ARE NOT STUPID about its simple shuffling procedure. The shuffle is "a come-on, take your best shot" gimmick. For example, a tracker-wannabie waged purple chips and lost his shirt without any interference from the pitcritters. On the other hand, a real threatening tracker was counter- measured with the "plugging cards after each round". That real McCoy finally left that pits gracefully. So, to AC comrades, please DO NOT THINK THOSE PITCRITTERS ARE STUPID. Casinos get lots of financial & human resources, and they get money to buy the best tracker to come up with the deadly "plugging cards after each round" countermeasure against the real McCoies. Sonny, please respond. I sincerely like to pick your brain, get myself more educated, and become a more informed & well round player. :grin:

Either let us know where you placed the concealed camara near the four decks to be able to watch these tables so closely, or set it up as a web cam so we can all watch. Nearly all your posts are Trop related, you have the "skinny" on everything and have the details to follow. Your too dangerous IMO to offer any info to. You've knocked every player that got beat, and condoned the AP's that played sparingly, if they were not just BS players in the first place. You've detailed the countermeasures taken and pat the back of the PC's.

It doesn't take money or the best tracker to come up with countermeasures, unless your on the side paying for those services, so you know first hand. :flame:

I like the info you provide but your too hot to touch.

BJC

 

[Ethan]

More Trop!

Either let us know where you placed the concealed camara near the four decks to be able to watch these tables so closely, or set it up as a web cam so we can all watch. Nearly all your posts are Trop related, you have the "skinny" on everything and have the details to follow. Your too dangerous IMO to offer any info to. You've knocked every player that got beat, and condoned the AP's that played sparingly, if they were not just BS players in the first place. You've detailed the countermeasures taken and pat the back of the PC's.

It doesn't take money or the best tracker to come up with countermeasures, unless your on the side paying for those services, so you know first hand. :flame:

I like the info you provide but your too hot to touch.

BJC

Hello BJC, I get a great kick after reading your post, and I can not resist to post more about Trop's related stuff. Here're just for you:



Similarity between cases of Anthony Campione & James Grosjean

Tony and James both got solid & winnable cases against casinos, but they could not collect a penny due to the screw drivers thrown in by the Courts.

Tony vs Tropicana: well, we all know that case by heart by now. There's no need to bore you guys with details any further.

James vs LV Casinos: James just has some updates:

James Grosjean wrote: "there were several parties we sued in the two separate jury trials:
1....
2...

3. Imperial Palace, which faced a jury verdict of $599,999, reduced by statute to $399,999, and reduced by county judge to $249,999 (plus lawyers costs), appealed to the Nevada Supreme Court. The NSC heard oral arguments in May 2005, but has not yet rendered its verdict, so Imperial Palace has not coughed up a dime.
4...
..."

See what I meant? The Courts can make you penniless even though you're right, and the law is on your side.

Source:
http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/w-agora/view.php?

 

[bjcount]

Search related

Thanks for the old search related articles. Nice diversion. What's next? Serpentine so you avoid the shots fired?

BJC

 

[Ethan]

More Trop

Thanks for the old search related articles. Nice diversion. What's next? Serpentine so you avoid the shots fired?

BJC

BJC and all you disgruntled guys, bring it on all the fire powers you get---Am I Trop's man? Well, let Sonny answer your implied question because he's the smartest poster around with excellent judgment. I'll be back several hours later to read Sonny's verdict. Bye for now. :grin:

 

[Sonny]

On the other hand, a real threatening tracker was counter- measured with the "plugging cards after each round". That real McCoy finally left that pits gracefully. So, to AC comrades, please DO NOT THINK THOSE PITCRITTERS ARE STUPID.

Is that really their countermeasure for shuffle trackers? If so, they are just as stupid as I thought. I'm sure those APs will see how to beat that countermeasure in no time at all. Ask yourself why the casinos don't always discard the cards like that. What is the typical house discard procedure trying to protect them against? Anytime a casino diverges from the standard house procedure, they make themselves vulnerable.

-Sonny-

 

[Ethan]

To Mr. Ken Smith, a big request

Is that really their countermeasure for shuffle trackers? If so, they are just as stupid as I thought. I'm sure those APs will see how to beat that countermeasure in no time at all. Ask yourself why the casinos don't always discard the cards like that. What is the typical house discard procedure trying to protect them against? Anytime a casino diverges from the standard house procedure, they make themselves vulnerable.

-Sonny-

Sonny, before I go on further with this board, I want to get a feedback from Ken Smith first.

Dear Mr. Ken Smith,

Congrats to you for running such a great board so far. However, if you want to keep decent posters on this board, please do not allow your post-busters secretly remove the informative posts ----because of their peer pressures, personal interests, or whatever misguided reasons. If you feel that you will be better off without me posting on this board, I'll obey.

Best regards
Ethan

Here are the related posts in question:

Post #23

what's the shuffle like?

In post #24 (secretively busted), I responded to Panda's question in regard to the shuffling procedures in Trop's 4 deck pit. I told him what I had seen (all public info from the pit for all players to see), and how the pitcritters and dealers handled the shuffling stuff. I found out my post was secretively removed --- Thanks to Mr. KounterStrike for tipping me off in his private message.

 

[bjcount]

Here we go again, here comes another thread brought down by "whiners". I feel sorry for Ken if he has to put up with this nonsense everyday.

It was probably done for good reason. You should really consider the info you post before you post it and thankfully the moderator took down the info they (or some of us) feel may impact the play of others.

Just PM the info if someone wants the details. For example, if I made it public that a store is shuffling a 6d shoe, topping the cutoffs, uses a simple single riffle and cutting at 5.25/6, how long do you think it would take before everyone on these boards was at this particular table? All flights would be booked to it's location. Got the picture yet? How long after everyone wiped out the house would these excellent conditions remain unchanged? 1 minute!

You simply have the "eye in the sky" info dedicated to the Trop.

Oh, by the way, I guess you didn't like the "Official" (Sonny's) reply to yesterdays post.

BJC

NOTE: Just an example, dont PM for the location...

 

[Automatic Monkey]

...For example, if I made it public that a store is shuffling a 6d shoe, topping the cutoffs, uses a simple single riffle and cutting at 5.25/6, how long do you think it would take before everyone on these boards was at this particular table? All flights would be booked to it's location. Got the picture yet? How long after everyone wiped out the house would these excellent conditions remain unchanged? 1 minute!
...

If everyone on this site flew to the location and bankrupted the casino using the information, that would be a great thing. But if a casino employee saw the information and immediately shut down the game and changed the shuffle/procedure/promotion/rule or whatever, not only preventing anyone else from playing it but depriving the AP's who already are playing it of their game, that's the problem.

A dumb AP is smarter than a smart casino manager. These people are the ones who beer-ponged their way through a mediocre business program and paid other people to do their coursework. We shouldn't assume they can figure out anything on their own and we should be fully unwilling to help them.

 

[bjcount]

But if a casino employee saw the information and immediately shut down the game and changed the shuffle/procedure/promotion/rule or whatever, not only preventing anyone else from playing it but depriving the AP's who already are playing it of their game, that's the problem.

I worded it incorrectly, that was exactly the point I meant to write. Driving through this snow, typing down my thoughts, and drilling with CVBJ all at the same time must have strained my brain.

AM: Thanks for clearing up my thought.

BJC

This is going to be one bad arse NYE in NYC! The snow and rain is mixing, the roads are icing, and the temps are falling thru the floor. They're expecting temps down to 17 with wind gusts to 60 mph...wind chill temps at 0 brrrrrrrrrrrrr arghhhh..Thanksgiving was too early to go to the caribbean :cry:

 

[rukus]

If everyone on this site flew to the location and bankrupted the casino using the information, that would be a great thing. But if a casino employee saw the information and immediately shut down the game and changed the shuffle/procedure/promotion/rule or whatever, not only preventing anyone else from playing it but depriving the AP's who already are playing it of their game, that's the problem.

A dumb AP is smarter than a smart casino manager. These people are the ones who beer-ponged their way through a mediocre business program and paid other people to do their coursework. We shouldn't assume they can figure out anything on their own and we should be fully unwilling to help them.

hey now, i beer-ponged my way through school! :devil::joker:

Ethan - your posts were removed by a moderator appointed and trusted by Ken. they were removed for a reason, one which you apparently dont agree with. live with it or stop wasting time on these boards.

 

[Thunder]

Latest conditions?

I'm thinking about going to the Trop soon. Can anyone tell me what the table minimums are for the 4 deck and I guess now 6 deck games, during the day?

 

[21forme]

Weekdays, the 4D game is usually 10-500. There are $15 tables for the now 6D game and when $25 it's NMS.

 

[rollem411]

Weekdays, the 4D game is usually 10-500. There are $15 tables for the now 6D game and when $25 it's NMS.

Yea, I was pissed when I got there Tuesday morning only to see 2 25$ mins and a 15$ min that was full. I knew it was going to be a bad day and I ended up losing.

 

[nj45lady]

trop

My experience so far has been one early morning 10 that changes up to 15 at noon, noon onward all 15s, which by the afternoon become 25s, or if you are me, the girly BJ counter, they change up the 15 3/4 through the shoe and say next shuffle is a 25 table. By 4pm all the 4 deckers were $25 min. Too pricey for me!!!:grin:

Borgata time..