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[sagefr0g]

That's the right thing to do - your lowest bet is your unit.
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yeah i was just thinking of it as if where your lowest bet isn't your unit. like say you just want to be betting your unit at maybe tc=1 or 2 and then you bet what ever your unit is and some multiple of the unit for higher true counts and so if your playing all or sitting and wonging out then for the start of a new pack and in negative counts your betting less than your unit. that way your only betting some fraction of your unit in the negative ev hands.
of course i can't really do that as i'm to cheap to set a higher unit than five bucks anyway. lol.

 

[shadroch]

Well that's just assholian. Who does that? Life isn't all about money, after all. . .

I will admit I pretty much ALWAYS drink from a bottle because I pretty much ALWAYS drink Corona, but what the hell kind of bar doesn't offer tap beer? Were I a tap drinker, I would go across the street, too.

Everybody who walked thru my door put a smile on my face. Some when they came in,but others when they left.I suspect you'd fit into the latter catagory.
What kind of bar doesn't sell tap beer? One that doesn't want a lot of low budget drinkers sipping their beers and expecting buy-backs,while people with money can't get a bar stool.
Life is certainly not all abou money. But business is.

 

[SPX]

Everybody who walked thru my door put a smile on my face. Some when they came in,but others when they left.I suspect you'd fit into the latter catagory.
What kind of bar doesn't sell tap beer? One that doesn't want a lot of low budget drinkers sipping their beers and expecting buy-backs,while people with money can't get a bar stool.
Life is certainly not all abou money. But business is.

I can only guess that your bar wasn't a "locals" bar. You know, I have NEVER heard of a bar that has NOTHING on tap. This is a first. And I assume that most bars are profitable, so eliminating all tap beers clearly isn't necessary.

A bar--at least a local bar--is supposed to be somewhere you can go to hang out, sit, chat with the bartender, CHAT WITH THE OWNER, ponder life, and sip beer casually. . .

 

[Kasi]

yeah i was just thinking of it as if where your lowest bet isn't your unit. ..:

I know you were but however you want to look at it your spread is 1-something with 1 being the lowest bet.

No big deal - if you want to look at it like I'd enter at $100 (my unit) at TC=2 but play until TC-1 and only be betting $5 then that's fine. Either way you are spreadin 1-20. But then that $100 entry point would likely no longer be $100.

You just can't bet 3 different playing styles the same way anyway. You decide how you're gonna play first and bet that way. You decide to change and only wong -in at TC+2, you bet another way. Enter at TC+1, another way. Etc.

Suddenly it goes from a 4/6d game to 5 decks dealt. Need a new plan Stan lol.

 

[sagefr0g]

I know you were but however you want to look at it your spread is 1-something with 1 being the lowest bet.

No big deal - if you want to look at it like I'd enter at $100 (my unit) at TC=2 but play until TC-1 and only be betting $5 then that's fine. Either way you are spreadin 1-20. But then that $100 entry point would likely no longer be $100.

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yeah, heck like i say i'm to cheap to do it. but it's just an option i wanted vonquux to be aware of. i mean it probably goes with out saying but if i had this big bankroll and my unit was $25 and i want to spread 1:10 at a nickle table and pretty much had to play all say. well i'd feel better about betting one fifth of my unit when the true count was zero or negative and then making the 1:10 spread on the positive true counts.... something like that.
but your right that really wouldn't be a 1:10 spread then in the realm of semantics or mathematics for that matter lol.

 

[shadroch]

SPX,
Where do you live that you've never been in a bar that doesn't sell tap beer? Perhaps its a regional thing.

 

[aslan]

Everybody who walked thru my door put a smile on my face. Some when they came in,but others when they left.I suspect you'd fit into the latter catagory.
What kind of bar doesn't sell tap beer? One that doesn't want a lot of low budget drinkers sipping their beers and expecting buy-backs,while people with money can't get a bar stool.
Life is certainly not all abou money. But business is.

That it is! Whoever tells you differently isn't much of a businessman. But he may have a lot of friends to be with him when his business sinks. lol After that, they'll go across the street.

 

[Mimosine]

first of all i hate beer
but i'd rather drink anything in a bottle than the usual crap that is on tap most places. unless i'm in a real 'classy joint' where a pint costs more than $4 and isn't made in the US.

*raises glass to Shaddy McRock*

 

[jack.jackson]

Definite Red chipper here, and until I can Move up(If ever) to the Green chip level, and no offense Shad, but if given the option Ill have to go across the street for the tap...lol...Until, Im a green chipper...then Ill see ya.

I can definetly tell ya tho, to each their own, and depending on your location and the type of clientel you want to attract. Business decisions are Important! And good luck to you on your Saloon...I mean Tavern.

 

[shadroch]

Its gone,long ago. Sold as the first stepping stone in the Shadroch line of adult premises.

Perhaps an explanation will calm the wolves down.
The bar had been in my family for years,with my uncle as an absentee owner.
It had two main employees. The day bartender was an old grandmotherly type ,that had once been a Flora Dora girl back in the depression. She also was foul-mouthed and chain-smoked. The night bartender would lock the doors at 8pm(earlier in the winter) and only let people he knew and liked in.
It was a traditonal Irish pub,in a neighborhood that had long since gone Spanish.I'd guess the average age was pushing 60+,with most patrons living on retirement checks.
I was given it,to see what I could do.My plan was to change it from a Irish Pub into a thriving neighborhood nite spot,replete with hot female bartenders,a small dance floor and most importantly- customers with money.
I succeeded. In less than three months,business more than quadrupled,and I was able to painlessly ease out the old-time employees,and change the demographics 200%.

 

[SPX]

SPX,
Where do you live that you've never been in a bar that doesn't sell tap beer? Perhaps its a regional thing.

I grew up in Mississippi/Tennessee, and have also lived in Dallas, Minneapolis and (now) Salt Lake.

I can't claim to have ever been in every bar or even most of them in any of these places, but I've been to my fair share and I can honestly say that I've never seen a bar without tap beer.

 

[shadroch]

I suggest you look harder.I'd start hitting a minimum of four bars a day for the next month or so.
I chose not to sell tap beer in any of my establishments. Its not as large of a profit center as bottled beer,involves more work(cleaning glasses,cleaning hose lines),glassware is expensive and space consuming,and is just generally more wasteful.
Others milage may vary.

 

[bj bob]

It was a traditonal Irish pub,in a neighborhood that had long since gone Spanish.
My plan was to change it from a Irish Pub into a thriving neighborhood nite spot,replete with hot female bartenders,a small dance floor and most importantly- customers with money.

I can see your new help wanted sign now:No Irish need apply. What a classic!

 

[ihate17]

Do it in a similar fashion fairly often

yeah, heck like i say i'm to cheap to do it. but it's just an option i wanted vonquux to be aware of. i mean it probably goes with out saying but if i had this big bankroll and my unit was $25 and i want to spread 1:10 at a nickle table and pretty much had to play all say. well i'd feel better about betting one fifth of my unit when the true count was zero or negative and then making the 1:10 spread on the positive true counts.... something like that.
but your right that really wouldn't be a 1:10 spread then in the realm of semantics or mathematics for that matter lol.

If asked, I might say my usual spread is $50-$500 on a shoe game, but it might be 2X$500 right before I leave, but at the same time I may be at a place where the best opportunity is on a $10 table or a $25 table and a wongout is not timely or perhaps it is the start of a shoe. When the EV of the upcoming hand is negative there is no reason at all in these situations to maintain a $50 unit as I am not playing to keep up a comp level or something similar. I have writen on this board before about spreading 1X10-2X500 before and these are the situations where this does arise. Of course exit strategy comes into play always with that possible spread.

ihate17

 

[sagefr0g]

If asked, I might say my usual spread is $50-$500 on a shoe game, but it might be 2X$500 right before I leave, but at the same time I may be at a place where the best opportunity is on a $10 table or a $25 table and a wongout is not timely or perhaps it is the start of a shoe. When the EV of the upcoming hand is negative there is no reason at all in these situations to maintain a $50 unit as I am not playing to keep up a comp level or something similar. I have writen on this board before about spreading 1X10-2X500 before and these are the situations where this does arise. Of course exit strategy comes into play always with that possible spread.

ihate17

yeah i failed to mention that playing as i described ( what you might call some sort of a two in one spread so to speak) that really you are employing a pretty hefty spread to which the casino might not take to kindly. so yeah exit strategy lol.

 

[SPX]

I suggest you look harder.I'd start hitting a minimum of four bars a day for the next month or so.
I chose not to sell tap beer in any of my establishments. Its not as large of a profit center as bottled beer,involves more work(cleaning glasses,cleaning hose lines),glassware is expensive and space consuming,and is just generally more wasteful.
Others milage may vary.

If I were to go to such an establishment, it would have to offer something other than beer. Otherwise, why go pay $3.50 per bottle when other places offer pitchers that end up being a lot more bang for the buck?

Generally if I'm going somewhere where I feel like the alcohol is overpriced then my attitude is, "Well I'll just get f*cked up before I go." Then I go and maybe buy a beer or two.

Again though, I have to admit that I don't usually drink tap beer. The only time I do is when I'm with a group of people and we buy in bulk, i.e. a pitcher. Otherwise, I drink Corona, Pacifico, Sol, Modelo Especial or Tecate.

 

[bj bob]

Otherwise, I drink Corona, Pacifico, Sol, Modelo Especial or Tecate.

Hmmm. I think I'm starting to detect a pattern here. What happened to Dos Equis?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I suggest you look harder.I'd start hitting a minimum of four bars a day for the next month or so.
I chose not to sell tap beer in any of my establishments. Its not as large of a profit center as bottled beer,involves more work(cleaning glasses,cleaning hose lines),glassware is expensive and space consuming,and is just generally more wasteful.
Others milage may vary.

It is more work and does take a little bit longer to serve, depending on the head. Still, the profit per drink has got to be more, no? And most beer drinkers (beyond the Budweiser-and-fake-ID crowd) prefer keg beer.

Some places only serve keg beer and in plastic cups, because they don't want to deal with broken glass. Poolside, theatres, stadiums.

When I go out and drink beer I like to get a pitcher. You kind of need kegs for that.

 

[EasyRhino]

I like drinking yuppie beers on tap.

And for something like Guinness, it's hugely superior draft than out of a bottle.

 

[moo321]

I like drinking yuppie beers on tap.

And for something like Guinness, it's hugely superior draft than out of a bottle.

Guinness is undrinkable except on tap. Bottles are downright disgusting, cans are a little better, but still way too bitter.