Are you a professional blackjack player?

[shadroch]

Ummmm
You make your living from BJ, hence you are a professional

Now, recognizing you want to increase your skill is fine.

Pro sports ranks are filled with those who are not high achievers, yet are professionals. Many just sit on the bench.:joker::whip:

Thats just stupid. Hopefully you do realize that the last player on the KC Royals bench got there by excelling at every level until he got to the big show.
No one becomes a professional athlete by under achieving.

 

[blackjack avenger]

No Pro Athlete Underachieves?

Ryan Leaf
Jamarcus Russell

Quite a few pros have a reputation in college of poor work habits or even at the pro level. Did Nate Newton eat his way out of the NFL?:joker::whip: or the Fridge Perry?

 

[blackjack avenger]

AP Professional Underachievers

This will be a slippery one.

Some people use a lower level count because that is all they can mentally handle, which is fine.

Some use a lower level count by choice, this can be considered possible underachieving.:joker::whip:

Some perfectly competent professional APer's don't play as much as they can:joker::whip:

 

[shadroch]

Ryan Leaf
Jamarcus Russell

Quite a few pros have a reputation in college of poor work habits or even at the pro level. Did Nate Newton eat his way out of the NFL?:joker::whip: or the Fridge Perry?

Did they become pro athletes by underachieving? That was the question.
This thread is increasinly sillier. I'm done.

 

[Bojack1]

Ryan Leaf
Jamarcus Russell

Quite a few pros have a reputation in college of poor work habits or even at the pro level. Did Nate Newton eat his way out of the NFL?:joker::whip: or the Fridge Perry?

Maybe you're right or maybe you prove your counter point. Ryan Leaf actually was found to have an injury that left him unable to compete at the highest level which wasn't diagnosed until after he was already labeled a bust. Jamarcus Russel is an extremely gifted athlete with problems in basic intelligence tests as proven in his wonderlic test scores. It could be argued that he overachieved in making it to the pros as a first round draft pick despite having a learning disability while playing a position where pure athleticism alone is not enough. As for Nate newton and the Fridge, no, they made a living off of being big and their teams encouraged that. Injuries derailed the Fridge, but he was far from a bust in the NFL. Having a short career in the NFL is not due to underachieving as it is the norm due to the nature of the game.

 

[Machinist]

Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

It is easy to confuse one's skills and fund of knowledge with "professionalism"

Being a Pro means that for an extended period of time [years, not weeks],
one has supported themselves primarily through gaming/betting.

A lavish lifestyle is not an element of professionalism any more tha betting
large sums is, but living out of a parked car and washing in rest rooms
suggests abject failure at being a professional.

Some people come from poor backgrounds.....!!!!! Yes i lived out of a van for short stints when on the road... I still use a camper to "scout" because of the miles i put on having to personally visit casinos....And not a newer camper as Bash peeps will attest to.
You have to do what has to be done sometimes...Now days alot of the casinos have handicapped bathrooms.. which are nice cause you can lock the door and take a good old fashioned "whorebath" in case anyone needs a tip.... Not that i do that:laugh::laugh:
Not chastising you Flash ..... just i found it funny to read something that i went through...Not one for the Lavish life style either....although have ate in some mighty fine steakhouses over the years... kinda gets old after a few years....as do hotel rooms...
A professional to me is someone at the top of his game. Takes many years to aquire that. I would say you need to make a substantial part of your income from your skill.
Gotta get back to work....

Machinist

 

[blackjack avenger]

You Did Not Ask a ?

Did they become pro athletes by underachieving? That was the question.
This thread is increasinly sillier. I'm done.

You made a statment, you did not ask a question.

Professional athletes have superior skill, it does not mean they applied that skill to their fullest potential.:joker::whip:

They can underachieve and still be excellent.

 

[blackjack avenger]

Maybe you're right or maybe you prove your counter point. Ryan Leaf actually was found to have an injury that left him unable to compete at the highest level which wasn't diagnosed until after he was already labeled a bust. Jamarcus Russel is an extremely gifted athlete with problems in basic intelligence tests as proven in his wonderlic test scores. It could be argued that he overachieved in making it to the pros as a first round draft pick despite having a learning disability while playing a position where pure athleticism alone is not enough. As for Nate newton and the Fridge, no, they made a living off of being big and their teams encouraged that. Injuries derailed the Fridge, but he was far from a bust in the NFL. Having a short career in the NFL is not due to underachieving as it is the norm due to the nature of the game.

I think it would be difficult to think every athlete at all times is diligently working to achieve success. Have you ever heard of the term "playing for a contract"? It means pro athletes play all out when it's time to get a new contract but once they get it their results fall off. I think this is basic human nature "incentive", but it would appear they are underachieving after the big contract.:joker::whip:

I think if pro contracts were renewed and open bid upon yearly you would see the quality of play/effort increase greatly, does anyone disagree? Probably injuries would go up also in the contact sports.

 

[blackjack avenger]

Just a Thought

Some people come from poor backgrounds.....!!!!! Yes i lived out of a van for short stints when on the road... I still use a camper to "scout" because of the miles i put on having to personally visit casinos....And not a newer camper as Bash peeps will attest to.
You have to do what has to be done sometimes...Now days alot of the casinos have handicapped bathrooms.. which are nice cause you can lock the door and take a good old fashioned "whorebath" in case anyone needs a tip.... Not that i do that:laugh::laugh:
Not chastising you Flash ..... just i found it funny to read something that i went through...Not one for the Lavish life style either....although have ate in some mighty fine steakhouses over the years... kinda gets old after a few years....as do hotel rooms...
A professional to me is someone at the top of his game. Takes many years to aquire that. I would say you need to make a substantial part of your income from your skill.
Gotta get back to work....

Machinist

I think you are or once were a pro!:joker::whip:

 

[Machinist]

hhhmmmmmm

I think the IRS has a definition of a Pro.....!!!!!! I prefer not to ask them... bstrds:whip:

Machinist

 

[golfnut101]

This doesn't surprise me. Professional blackjack players are a rare breed.

That is what I was alluding to...

 

[Machinist]

I am not a pro

I think you are or once were a pro!:joker::whip:

Huh?????? Its not possible for me to be a pro...or at one time to be a pro. I really want to farm.....I could be a pro at that....till the money runs out...
Hmm what was the point of this discussion???? I'm tired and yet i will work another shift. Why??? Cause i hated punching a clock. And yet i punch this clock....
I have read the whole post now.....

OKAY HERE's my opinion!!!!!!!!!!! YOU KNOW IF YOU ARE BY DEFINITION A ####### PRO....."slang".... and your aquaintances in the "business" know also if you are or ARE NOT A PRO......................and then there are professions and professionals....

Whew!!!!

Machinist

 

[Sharky]

simple: you make $$ doing it!!!

it's really that simple, if you consistently leave the casino with more money than you entered, you b a pro :cool2:

why would anyone admit to that?

 

[jack.jackson]

on

On a lighter note, i'm happy to announce that I just got mY "Drivers License" back and a vehicle, after 6 years. Now i'ts only a matter of time before i can pick up where i left off in the few times I visited Tunica about 6 years ago. Its been a long time and I cant wait to burn these places down. :laugh:

And although, after the much heated and recent discussion on what "exactly" profesionalism is, I do nevertheless consider myself to be profecient at the art of counting cards, regardless of wether i do it, as a profession or not.

 

[muppet]

look, let's make this simple.

from now on i will certify individuals with the title "professional blackjack player." if you are interested, PM me and i will supply you with my contact information. the only cost to you is $30 for administrative fees. after that i will test you. if you pass, then i will certify you as a professional and will mail you your very own certificate of blackjack professionalism

 

[aslan]

look, let's make this simple.

from now on i will certify individuals with the title "professional blackjack player." if you are interested, PM me and i will supply you with my contact information. the only cost to you is $30 for administrative fees. after that i will test you. if you pass, then i will certify you as a professional and will mail you your very own certificate of blackjack professionalism

What you propose must avoid even the possible appearance of unfairness or impropriety; this activity must be overseen by a disinterested party trained to render impartial judgments, a CPA, like myself. A nominal fee of less than half the administrative fee, say, $14.99, would be appropriate. Thank you.

 

[Craps Master]

Only nine professionals, huh? Lower than I would have expected.

 

[jack.jackson]

Only nine professionals, huh? Lower than I would have expected.

Ya, but mine dont count, since i dont do it as a profession. I'll be the first to admit, even though, i can easily win at home, it would be a whole different ballgame with real money on the table, not to mention all the distractions. Plus there was another poster, who said he voted pro by accident. So 7 would be a more accurate figure.

 

[Craps Master]

Ya, but mine dont count, since i dont do it as a profession. I'll be the first to admit, even though, i can easily win at home, it would be a whole different ballgame with real money on the table, not to mention all the distractions. Plus there was another poster, who said he voted pro by accident. So 7 would be a more accurate figure.

Yeah. Only seven.

 

[fubster]

the poll would be more comprehensive if it was "are you a professional gambler?"

in order to qualify, at least 75% of your income must be from gambling.