Beyound Counting?????
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Using the wheelchair trick isn't quite as good in real life as in theory. Casinos are required to have handicapped tables that are much lower than standard tables. Any persons confined to a wheel chair will be playing at these tables, which due to the height of these special tables offer no extra sight advantage.Automatic Monkey said:
Besides if you were caught using a wheelchair for holecarding, not really needing the wheelchair for medical reasons, you would get no support from any agency or group that stands up for the rights of the handicapped. As a matter of fact they would help burn you for trying to exploit a fake handicap for selfish reasons. Maybe the next great plan will be to kidnap a kid with cancer, pretend its yours, and get a free trip to disneyland from The Make A Wish Foundation. I'm sure they'll be happy to back you once you get found out as fraud.
I do have to wonder though, how could you ever actually get CAUGHT hole-carding unless you are just comically obvious about it? I mean, there's no crime against reclining in your chair for comfort purposes and if the dealer is sloppy enough to flash their under-card then that's not your problem. . .Bojack1 said:
Automatic Monkey
Banned
There's no crime in it, but there's also no crime in security detaining you and turning you over to the police on suspicion of cheating, making up a barely plausible story, keeping you in jail until you post bail and forcing you to hire a lawyer out of your bankroll.SPX said:
Well, under a real criminal justice system this would be a crime, but in Nevada when a casino calls the police, the cop shows up and asks the casino manager "What would you like me to do, sir?" and he does it. You won't be convicted of cheating but you will be jerked around a lot. The casinos hate you.
Automatic Monkey
Banned
Just for your information, they're not going to like you either if they catch you saying "confined to a wheelchair." That phrase is now taboo. Preferred terminology is "using a wheelchair." Also while casinos have low tables for wheelchair users, they cannot compel anyone to use them and you can play at any table you want from a wheelchair. Most of the carnival games don't have a low table.Bojack1 said:
Tonight I was dropping cheques on the floor a lot and squatting down to pick them up. Never knew BJ's could be so hard on the knees.
Hey Bojack I know we can have a team based on this! You can be the paralytic and I can be your Helping Hands Monkey. http://www.monkeyhelpers.org/
I'll perch on your shoulder while you are playing and I'll fetch your drinks, and sidecount aces and sevens.
EasyRhino
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There was a stretch where I saw a semi-regular at one place who used a wheelchair, and this was a hardcore "confined to wheelchair" style wheelchair. It was also fairly tall, which meant that he played at full height tables, but the altitude of his head was still pretty low to the table.
And the second time I saw him, I thought "maybe...?" And then realized that I am in actuality a horrible horrible person. (Also, he was mainly playing shoe games).
And the second time I saw him, I thought "maybe...?" And then realized that I am in actuality a horrible horrible person. (Also, he was mainly playing shoe games).
mjbballar23
Well-Known Member
beyond counting
i dont know from personal experience but people that have read it have told me that it is not worth the price(hundreds of $$$) for MOST people. They say for $50 its worth it but not for $800 or even $300. But then again it sounds like it has some excellent information so it might be worth reading for the heck of it even if it doesnt help your game all that much.RedCell said:
For the vast majority of players it isn't going to be worth much. Most players don't take the time to master counting to a degree that will earn them money, so the discussions in BC will be pretty much worthless to them. If they can't apply counting effectively they certainly won't be successful with anything that requires more focus and dedication.mjbballar23 said:
For the few who really are prepared to put the time and effort into perfecting their skills BC will be worth far more than the price they paid for it. But as i said, those people are few and far between.
RJT.
Here's the move
Don't use a wheelchair. Find a table that you want to attack. Have you buddy grab the chair from spot one and take it somewhere (It dosen't matter where. People take chairs all the time from tables.) You then put your money in the spot and say "I need to go get a chair" You run over to Baccarat and grab a low chair and put it in your spot. It works.
Don't use a wheelchair. Find a table that you want to attack. Have you buddy grab the chair from spot one and take it somewhere (It dosen't matter where. People take chairs all the time from tables.) You then put your money in the spot and say "I need to go get a chair" You run over to Baccarat and grab a low chair and put it in your spot. It works.
I am so tired of hearing people coming up with these quasi-legal scams - and let's be clear about this people, they are scams - in an attempt to achieve something that you could achieve legitimately.onebademf said:
Why don't you just find a hand held game and start mucking? You're not really a kick in the teeth of cheating anyway and any good lawer would have a field day with this so if you are going to go down for cheating you may as well make it worth your while.
The casinos don't provide you with the lowered chairs on the blackjack tables, so engineering a situation where you get to use one will have implications.
Top this of the fact that it's not going to take them long to work out what you are doing and this is just asking for trouble.
If you are that interested in getting hole card information, how about just putting the work in and doing it by finding a weak dealer?
RJT.
Automatic Monkey
Banned
Actually, onebademf's technique is so ingenious I'm sorry that he posted it in an open forum. The casino provides chairs for patrons' use and the fact that you find one to be more comfortable than another isn't something that could ever be construed as "using a device." Players aren't even obliged to use a chair; you're welcome to play standing and I suppose if a high roller wanted to play kneeling on the floor they wouldn't push his bet back. What are they going to do, say he is using the carpet as a device?RJT said:
Hey is a pet considered a device?
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I disagree with this. Many of the items in BC require far less focus and dedication than counting. Some of them require more -- more complicated charts, etc. But some require far less -- more like just explaining a good angle for a particular game, or a simpler chart/strategy.RJT said:
You advocate using wheelchairs when you have no legitamate medical reason for doing so.Automatic Monkey said:
You know i've watched a couple of people who i know to be pros players post at different times on this board - no i'm not talking about Bojack this time - they post with unfailing simplicity and common sense especially when it comes to their specific subject area, yet you always come along to try and shoot holes with your "actually" comments. It's "actually" laughable that you can't see common sense even when it's pointed out.
RJT.
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