counting doesn't work

[rabbit215]

after 2 losing trips to atlantic city this year, plus 9 trips last summer resulting in a net loss, I am convinced card counting is a bunch a crap. Anyone saying they make a living is just full of BS. The only people making any money are the people on here hawking books, classes and software products. You all are in on this too I presume. Shame on you

The MIT team won millions of dollars counting cards but yeah card counting does not work haha, i believe it works but first you need to have huge BR i mean thousands of dollars to play with, plus you need a good penetration thats it.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

The MIT team won millions of dollars counting cards but yeah card counting does not work haha, i believe it works but first you need to have huge BR i mean thousands of dollars to play with, plus you need a good penetration thats it.

Find a shoe game with 90% penetration and late surrender and tell me counting doesn't work :grin:

 

[aslan]

In the last few months I have, because I want all of the BJ BRO'S here to have success.

CP

You are coming close to being accused of something. But I guess if you're lucky, you can win every time you play (up to a point), I'll grant you that. But how you are teaching others to be lucky, well, that's beyond me.

 

[creeping panther]

Aslan,

You are coming close to being accused of something. But I guess if you're lucky, you can win every time you play (up to a point), I'll grant you that. But how you are teaching others to be lucky, well, that's beyond me.

Counting is the basis, the backbone of beating the house, along with advanced techniques, HC, ST, and simply finding very good games,,,as well as thinking outside the box and attacking the game in different ways. Lucky....well to some extent we all need a little of that, because we are still gambling,,really.



If you have something to say, don't be shy,,,show some ballz and say it.

CP

 

[aslan]

Counting is the basis, the backbone of beating the house, along with advanced techniques, HC, ST, and simply finding very good games,,,as well as thinking outside the box and attacking the game in different ways. Lucky....well to some extent we all need a little of that, because we are still gambling,,really.



If you have something to say, don't be shy,,,show some ballz and say it.

CP

Perfect counting will not result in your winning every session.

 

[daddybo]

You are coming close to being accused of something. But I guess if you're lucky, you can win every time you play (up to a point), I'll grant you that. But how you are teaching others to be lucky, well, that's beyond me.

He's just good.:eyepatch:

 

[creeping panther]

Ya

He's just good.:eyepatch:

Maybe 1/2 as good as you.:grin::1st:

CP

 

[aslan]

If you have something to say, don't be shy,,,show some ballz and say it.

CP

Discretion is the better part of valor.

 

[bj bob]

....a tadpole was squiggling in the mud and slime only to eventually grow some legs and hop onto some dry land. :laugh:

It figures that you would choose that particular analogy, Fr0gman.(Dead link: http://www.mysmiley.net/free-ashamed-smileys.php) _

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[creeping panther]

Aslan

Discretion is the better part of valor.

What a tired, old, cliche'.

CP

 

[Blue Efficacy]

I cannot think of any way to guarantee 100% winning sessions without cheating.

You can have all of the advantage in the world, and the dealer can still get 20 or BJ and beat you.

Hole carding? Doesn't matter, you either suck it down and lose to the 20, or you draw attention and hit it. Granted you get a huge advantage by doing this but again nothing is 100%. If the dealer is getting 20 or BJ a large percentage of the time, and this certainly does happen, the best player in the world is going to have a tough time.

As much respect as I have for CP, he is arrogant sometimes. He is extremely lucky to have access to some of the worst protected blackjack games there are, and I cannot blame him for exploiting them.

Very few games offer the level of advantage that he enjoys, and he thinks that we should all do as well as he is able to do. Granted, I have some games that are exploitable in their own right and am a solid lifetime winner. But I have been on top of my game only to get all of the bad cards as the dealer consistently makes the hole card reader light up red with a 10 up.

Basically, many people can still make money playing blackjack, maybe not as much or as consistently, or as easily as some of the games located away from the east coast or LV. But a profit can still be made, and I believe CP is wrong to look down on people for that.

 

[rabbit215]

Find a shoe game with 90% penetration and late surrender and tell me counting doesn't work

Maybe in vegas, i dont know but not in AC

If the dealer is getting 20 or BJ a large percentage of the time, and this certainly does happen

I have to agree with this one, like almost everytime dealer gets a 10, and if he gets a 5 or 6 he still makes 20 or 21 of it, i think there is something more going on

I was playing bj 8 deck and i was the dealer and i didnt had 20 or 21 a hand as much as the dealers had !

 

[21blackjackgirl]

Of course counting works

I was a bit skeptical myself.. You can not always be garanteed to win trust me I've lost a lot, but with hard work and dedication and a descent bankrole in the long run u will be ahead. Maybe try another place other than atlantic city

 

[Billy C1]

I'm surprised------

That after 10 days and 8 pages of posts that nobody has told the initial poster how and why counting DOES WORK (you have my apology if I missed it)!
Without holecarding, shuffle tracking or outright cheating you will always be playing BJ at a disadvantage IF you don't count.
Most of you know this but BillyKid may not. The reason positive count play swings the advantage from the house to the player is because the excess of undealt big cards will bust a dealer that HAS to hit all hard 12-16 hands, more often than not. All sims make that a factual statement.
In other words, if you can get away with playing nothing but "good" positive counts in honest games with reasonable rules, I think the many experts that contribute to this site will tell you it works.
I DON"T consider myself an expert but I'm firmly convinced this is true.

BillyC1

 

[kewljason]

That after 10 days and 8 pages of posts that nobody has told the initial poster how and why counting DOES WORK (you have my apology if I missed it)!
Without holecarding, shuffle tracking or outright cheating you will always be playing BJ at a disadvantage IF you don't count.
Most of you know this but BillyKid may not. The reason positive count play swings the advantage from the house to the player is because the excess of undealt big cards will bust a dealer that HAS to hit all hard 12-16 hands, more often than not. All sims make that a factual statement.
In other words, if you can get away with playing nothing but "good" positive counts in honest games with reasonable rules, I think the many experts that contribute to this site will tell you it works.
I DON"T consider myself an expert but I'm firmly convinced this is true.

BillyC1

How is it our job to convince Billythekid that counting works? The usual progession, is that upon hearing or learning about counting, one sets out to conviced themselves. Now a days this is easy enough to do with computer sims. I suspect many on this board who are a bit older than myself, didn't have that luxury. They convinced themselves by sitting at the kitchen table dealing thousands and thousands of hands to themselves, before eventually testing out the theory on a casino at as small a stakes as possible.

If memory serves me correctly, Billythekid read an outdated book by Revere (possibly playing blackjack as a business) and then jumped in head first with money that he probably couldn't afford to lose. After a very small trial, he has concluded that not only does it not work, but that there is a conspiracy involving everyone on this board against him. Quite frankly I am surprised anyone bothered to respond.

Before anyone jumps on me about the Revere reference, I am not suggusting that Reveres work is in any way flawed. On the contrary, I believe the RPC, although not used by many today, is still one of the better level 2 counts. I used it for 18 months before deciding that it just wasn't for me. My reference to "outdated" concerns many of the findings and references in his books, that were geared towards the single deck games of that time. All the more reason for someone coming across his work today for the first time to research further, as Billythe kid obviously did not.

 

[Sonny]

I'm surprised that after 10 days and 8 pages of posts that nobody has told the initial poster how and why counting DOES WORK (you have my apology if I missed it)!

That's what all the sticky threads in the Card Counting forum are for. Either people read them or they don't.

-Sonny-

 

[bjcount]

Originally Posted by Billy C1
I'm surprised that after 10 days and 8 pages of posts that nobody has told the initial poster how and why counting DOES WORK (you have my apology if I missed it)!

If it wasn't for all the non-believers the stores would be just a pile of rubble.

or converted into gyms and raunchy dance clubs pushing sex and alcohol.....

Why do you insist we become JOcounter Witnesses and hand out copies of the Count Tower to the passer byers?

I won't sell you on my strat.... don't try to sell me on yours.

Non believers are always welcome to my home....... base

BJC

 

[Billy C1]

How is it our job to convince Billythekid that counting works? The usual progession, is that upon hearing or learning about counting, one sets out to conviced themselves. Now a days this is easy enough to do with computer sims. I suspect many on this board who are a bit older than myself, didn't have that luxury. They convinced themselves by sitting at the kitchen table dealing thousands and thousands of hands to themselves, before eventually testing out the theory on a casino at as small a stakes as possible.

If memory serves me correctly, Billythekid read an outdated book by Revere (possibly playing blackjack as a business) and then jumped in head first with money that he probably couldn't afford to lose. After a very small trial, he has concluded that not only does it not work, but that there is a conspiracy involving everyone on this board against him. Quite frankly I am surprised anyone bothered to respond.

Before anyone jumps on me about the Revere reference, I am not suggusting that Reveres work is in any way flawed. On the contrary, I believe the RPC, although not used by many today, is still one of the better level 2 counts. I used it for 18 months before deciding that it just wasn't for me. My reference to "outdated" concerns many of the findings and references in his books, that were geared towards the single deck games of that time. All the more reason for someone coming across his work today for the first time to research further, as Billythe kid obviously did not.

While we aren't responsible for his enlightenment, trying to help him (and possibly others reading) might not be a bad thing.
That's what I think the forum is about.
I'm well aware of the fact that "ploppies" sustain the game but doubt if many of them read things posted here.

BillyC1

 

[Billy C1]

If it wasn't for all the non-believers the stores would be just a pile of rubble.

or converted into gyms and raunchy dance clubs pushing sex and alcohol.....

Why do you insist we become JOcounter Witnesses and hand out copies of the Count Tower to the passer byers?

I won't sell you on my strat.... don't try to sell me on yours.

Non believers are always welcome to my home....... base

BJC

Hey, I've had a LOT of fun with both sex and alcohol-------I'm the guy pictured with the caption that reads:

Most of my money was spent on booze and women, the rest I wasted!:laugh:

BillyC1

 

[kewljason]

While we aren't responsible for his enlightenment, trying to help him (and possibly others reading) might not be a bad thing.
That's what I think the forum is about.
I'm well aware of the fact that "ploppies" sustain the game but doubt if many of them read things posted here.

BillyC1

If you check out some of his previous post in the last year, you will see that some of us (myself, flash, and a few others) did try to enlighten him on a number of occasions but were usually met with resistance and on a couple of occasions rudeness.