Dumbest thing I've heard said at the table
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aren't all two card counts of 21 soft and naturals? that is, if there is a double down situation (meaning there are only 2 cards out, since thats when you can double), then it has to be a natural? Or are there places out there where doubling with more than two cards is allowed? hmmm, that must be quite a good rule if it is out there. I've never heard of it, but perhaps it is. Any thoughts?ScottH said:
Guys, I've been holding back for a while, to see if I can top everyone.
#1: I saw a person writing each card on a piece of paper as it was coming out. My eyeballs almost fell out and I asked the dealer if that was ok. She says "of course, it doesn't really matter anyway." And here I was trying to count with my head! (by the way that same dealer, a pal of mine gives me 85% pen)
#2: As I was watching a dealer cut about 75% pen, I gently asked if he could cut less because I was so sick of the shuffle. Then I noticed a pitboss next to me and almost shat my pants! "the jig is up!" i thought... then the PB says to the dealer "sure, go ahead it doesnt matter anyway".
By the way, 1 and 2 happened on the same night.
#1: I saw a person writing each card on a piece of paper as it was coming out. My eyeballs almost fell out and I asked the dealer if that was ok. She says "of course, it doesn't really matter anyway." And here I was trying to count with my head! (by the way that same dealer, a pal of mine gives me 85% pen)
#2: As I was watching a dealer cut about 75% pen, I gently asked if he could cut less because I was so sick of the shuffle. Then I noticed a pitboss next to me and almost shat my pants! "the jig is up!" i thought... then the PB says to the dealer "sure, go ahead it doesnt matter anyway".
By the way, 1 and 2 happened on the same night.
If you can take more than one card after split aces, and recieve a ten on one of your aces that is a soft 21 and not a natural. Or if you split tens and recieve an ace that is also a soft 21. You will have to check what count you need for your particular system to actually double the soft 21. It is rare, but it does happen. It might be a play to avoid at a local shop since it might draw attention though.kender said:
Oh, of course you can only do this on games with DAS, since you are right that if your original 2 cards are 21 that is a natural. But once you split, any 21 you recieve is just 21 and not considedered a natural, so if DAS is allowed then you can use the index number for doubling soft 21.
Word! Didn't think of that. Must of slipped my mind since Split aces only get one card at my usual joint. And I don't split tens there either (well, once to test the waters, but I don't anymore....). Good catch, that doubling on 21 is pretty fascinating to me.ScottH said:
I would think that there is an index, albeit astronomical, for doubling a natural. Not that I would ever think it a good idea...or even allowed for that matter (aside from some tourneys), but in theory...
There would be a count for it but it would be WAY to high to worry about the index. It would probably take many lifetimes of play to see any difference in EV using that play. Like, if you knew there were only tens left you could double it, but I wouldn't worry about it...kender said:
I had a situation this past weekend that just made me laugh.
Rules are 6D, H17, DAS, NS.
I was at first base and was dealt a pair of 6's against a dealer 6. I split my 6's, got a 5 on the first, doubled and got a 10. On the second I got a 4, doubled and got an A. So I have 2 21's.
The next 3 spots all had 20 and then the guy at 3rd base had 13. It gets to him and he turns to the guy next to him and says "Because the idiot at 1st base went against BS and split his 6's, I have to hit my 13 to get the cards back on track". He hits his 13 and got a 10.
Dealer turned over a 10 to go with her 6 and drew a 4 for 20. Everyone at the table blamed me because I screwed up the cards by splitting my 6's, against their idea of BS. The overlooked the fact that the first card I got was a 5 which would've given the dealer a 21.
It was almost even better on the next hand when I was dealt a pair of 4's. The dealer turned up a 7 so I just hit. Afterwords I thought it would've been fun if the dealer had a 5 or a 6. Then I could've said something like "You thougth splitting the 6's was bad, what do you think about this.", as I put my split out.
Rules are 6D, H17, DAS, NS.
I was at first base and was dealt a pair of 6's against a dealer 6. I split my 6's, got a 5 on the first, doubled and got a 10. On the second I got a 4, doubled and got an A. So I have 2 21's.
The next 3 spots all had 20 and then the guy at 3rd base had 13. It gets to him and he turns to the guy next to him and says "Because the idiot at 1st base went against BS and split his 6's, I have to hit my 13 to get the cards back on track". He hits his 13 and got a 10.
Dealer turned over a 10 to go with her 6 and drew a 4 for 20. Everyone at the table blamed me because I screwed up the cards by splitting my 6's, against their idea of BS. The overlooked the fact that the first card I got was a 5 which would've given the dealer a 21.
It was almost even better on the next hand when I was dealt a pair of 4's. The dealer turned up a 7 so I just hit. Afterwords I thought it would've been fun if the dealer had a 5 or a 6. Then I could've said something like "You thougth splitting the 6's was bad, what do you think about this.", as I put my split out.
Kaiser
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What does NS stand for?
Funny story though. I love how everyone is an expert, no matter how terrible they are.
The dumbest thing I heard at the table this weekend had nothing to cards. Some guy in his late twenties telling me how he paid some woman for a grope, and how important human contact is to people. He was like "Yeah, just a grope. A fondle. People need human contact, you know." WTF?!
He ended up blowing through a few hundred bucks in half an hour and leaving, and everyone at the table started laughing and cheering that he'd gone. What a nutjob. He would bet $5 one hand, then $45 the next, drop it down to $7 for a couple, then he'd put $60 down... he lost the majority of them, too.
The sad thing is he looked like he was gambling his rent.
Funny story though. I love how everyone is an expert, no matter how terrible they are.
The dumbest thing I heard at the table this weekend had nothing to cards. Some guy in his late twenties telling me how he paid some woman for a grope, and how important human contact is to people. He was like "Yeah, just a grope. A fondle. People need human contact, you know." WTF?!
He ended up blowing through a few hundred bucks in half an hour and leaving, and everyone at the table started laughing and cheering that he'd gone. What a nutjob. He would bet $5 one hand, then $45 the next, drop it down to $7 for a couple, then he'd put $60 down... he lost the majority of them, too.
The sad thing is he looked like he was gambling his rent.
Kaiser
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Ah, of course. Thanks.
I'm really noticing that surrendering gets a bad rap. It causes pretty much the same reaction at the tables here as firing off a big fart. People turn their noses up, shake their heads, and grumble to themselves. I can't understand what the big problem people have with it is.
I surrendered a 16 against dealer's 10 and one guy at the table looked like he was going to puke. You try telling people that it cuts their losses with that hand in half, but they can't get beyond the "that's the pansy way out" mentality.
I'm really noticing that surrendering gets a bad rap. It causes pretty much the same reaction at the tables here as firing off a big fart. People turn their noses up, shake their heads, and grumble to themselves. I can't understand what the big problem people have with it is.
I surrendered a 16 against dealer's 10 and one guy at the table looked like he was going to puke. You try telling people that it cuts their losses with that hand in half, but they can't get beyond the "that's the pansy way out" mentality.
EasyRhino
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I usually get a look of amazement when I surrender, followed by the question "you can do that?!". About 30% of witnesses will then start surrendering everything they see.
Last weekend the guy next to me wouldn't start volunteering bad advice to me. He seemed like a nice guy, and he was trying hard, he just had no clue. It was really starting to distract me from my count.
Last weekend the guy next to me wouldn't start volunteering bad advice to me. He seemed like a nice guy, and he was trying hard, he just had no clue. It was really starting to distract me from my count.
zengrifter
Banned
One of my table lines: "I love surrender - I did the math of my prior gambling trips - crunched the numbers for hours - I figured out that if I surrender every hand it will cut my losses in half!" zg
ihate17
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surrendering away the ploppies
One of two things happen when I surrender a hand. I get the usual comments or looks or someone else on the table will begin to also surrender but with no idea of when they should.
You can not concern yourself with the comments or looks made by other players. You know what you are doing but you can not tell them, but it is your money and just as you let them play anyway they want, they should allow you the same.
Though this has nothing to do with surrender, the comments about surrender killing the mythical sacred flow of the all knowing cards, also goes for other very elementary basic strategy plays. Do one of the typical soft 18 plays of hitting vs 9,10,A or doubling vs 3-6, and you get the comments and looks. Recently, I doubled a soft18, lost, most of the table lost and one guy started telling me what an idiot I was. Gave hime the "its my money line" hoping he would leave but he did not. Next hand he gets blackjack and I can not resist. I say, "your welcome", goes over his head but the dealer at least had a laugh.
ihate17
One of two things happen when I surrender a hand. I get the usual comments or looks or someone else on the table will begin to also surrender but with no idea of when they should.
You can not concern yourself with the comments or looks made by other players. You know what you are doing but you can not tell them, but it is your money and just as you let them play anyway they want, they should allow you the same.
Though this has nothing to do with surrender, the comments about surrender killing the mythical sacred flow of the all knowing cards, also goes for other very elementary basic strategy plays. Do one of the typical soft 18 plays of hitting vs 9,10,A or doubling vs 3-6, and you get the comments and looks. Recently, I doubled a soft18, lost, most of the table lost and one guy started telling me what an idiot I was. Gave hime the "its my money line" hoping he would leave but he did not. Next hand he gets blackjack and I can not resist. I say, "your welcome", goes over his head but the dealer at least had a laugh.
ihate17
EasyRhino
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There is, of course, the flipside. Last weekend, I hit an A,7 vs something high (to the usual looks of confusion from the ploppies), got a nice card for my own hand, and the dealer busted, and I was basically the table's Great White God for the next couple of hands.
Also, I've called other players pansies when they start surrendering too much. Generally only when I'm pretty sure they won't try to murder me. Kind of like when I was talking to the grandmotherly woman about drugs and whores.
Also, I've called other players pansies when they start surrendering too much. Generally only when I'm pretty sure they won't try to murder me. Kind of like when I was talking to the grandmotherly woman about drugs and whores.
One that happened to me a week ago at a black table: I was heads up for a while and doing good but then a shoe went really sour on me (8d). Now I usually would skip town but getting to play heads up is rare and figured I'd just tough it out. Well a couple rounds later it goes from -2 to -8 TC. about 3 decks left, 1 unplayed. So now I am picking up my chips and ready to leave, cuz there is no way Im playing a deck of that crap with blacks. That is until a gentleman comes in with 12 bumblebees in hand, playing 2-3 thousand a hand. I give a small whistle, tell the boss "um, he rolling high, I think I should sit out and let him play", and watch. I actually felt bad for lettin him play there, which is very rare for me. (usually could care less).
He loses about 4 out of 5 hands, down about 12k in 5 minutes (bought in a few more times) with a dazed look on his face. The dealer did not bust once. SO... on to the stupid thing said at the table. As he walks away, he apologizes to me "sorry for interuppting your game."
He loses about 4 out of 5 hands, down about 12k in 5 minutes (bought in a few more times) with a dazed look on his face. The dealer did not bust once. SO... on to the stupid thing said at the table. As he walks away, he apologizes to me "sorry for interuppting your game."