Dumbest thing I've heard said at the table
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ihate17
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Ya gotta have some fun
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Call it camo, call it part of my act, but in truth I just like to have fun at the tables. I joke with pits and dealers all the time. One thing I like to do when I have lost several hands in a row is put 50 cents in the betting circle and ask the dealer if she thinks this is overbetting.Kasi said:
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ihate17
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about equal to the dealers 9, I guess
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Since a dealer 10 will result in a hand of 18 or higher over 50% of the time, my guess is that a 2 is about the equivilant of a 9. So should I announce in the future that the 2 is the dealer's 9 or is it still really the dealer's2?rogue1 said:
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Jeff Dubya
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Yes, but there's also a difference in "gambling" and "playing" right???Preston said:
When I follow bs 100% and do not vary my bets, then I am playing.
But if I put down a one time bet of $1000, draw 17 against a dealer 10 and hit it because "my gut tells me to." then I am gambling. And stupid.
Sure, there is a ton of luck involved with blackjack. But I personally believe the more basic strategy, advanced strategy plays and learning to count makes it less of a gamble every single hand...
Maybe thats just splitting hairs. But that's how I feel. HAHA "that's what my gut tells me."
ihate17
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It is all really about splitting hairs
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By playing one hand or one million hands correctly, you are increasing your chance of winning more in certain situations and losing less in other situations. Some times the percentage change is very very small but playing right is always right and if you do happen to have played a million hands the difference can be very large.manray said:
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Sonny said:
It's silly to act as of the BS player can't win money. I once hand dealt 5000 hands (took me a month), dealt out to 4 different "players", and ran a betting analysis and after I was done, with all players flat betting 3 were ahead and only one was behind.
Now you'll say that 5000 hands isn't much, but for the average player who gets away to the casino twice a month, that's a lot.
1) Really for the average player, it's about sitting at the right table at the right time. This is were luck enters the game. Perhaps the three out of my four players were just lucky. But it proves it can happen.Kasi said:
2) How the hell did this thread get to be this long?
sagefr0g
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right, i was probably putting words in his mouth :joker: ....Canceler said:
i get easily confused on statistical matters and probability. then there is that tricky part about independent trials as opposed to dependent trials and the fact that a given number of decks has a normal TC distribution over time. then for me the gamblers fallacy seems to be a normal way of percieving things.
so yeah i think it is the ev for a given hand at some true count is the same but overtime like you say the dollars build since we win money by proper betting along with the fact that we get more sucessful double downs, blackjacks and insurance bets in positive counts.
geesh
ihate17
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Not what I was really saying
Just take the guy who plays basic strategy on games that have a house edge of .5% over a while who has put a million dollars into play. He should have lost $5,000 over this period. Compare him to the typical blackjack player who is playing at a disadvantage of about 2%, he should have lost $20,000. Playing correctly leaves him with $15,000 more than the other guy.
Hope I have been clear here. Think it is nothing new to you though.
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My fault, I should have been clearer. The small percentage gain, remains a small percentage but if you have put millions of dollars into action, that small percentage gain results in a lot of money in your pocket.sagefr0g said:
Just take the guy who plays basic strategy on games that have a house edge of .5% over a while who has put a million dollars into play. He should have lost $5,000 over this period. Compare him to the typical blackjack player who is playing at a disadvantage of about 2%, he should have lost $20,000. Playing correctly leaves him with $15,000 more than the other guy.
Hope I have been clear here. Think it is nothing new to you though.
ihate17
Back to dumb stuff people say...
Last night an older man sat down and immediately started making fun of the people at the table who weren't playing basic strategy. Not to their face, but just quietly to me because I was sitting beside him. After about 15 hands or so he was dealt A-7 against a dealer 6, and stood. After he stood, this was the conversation that took place:
Hotroddy: Really? I thought you played basic strategy?
Oldman: I do, but A-7 isn't a hit against a 6.
Hr: No, it's a double against a 6 actually.
Om: No way, never. Besides, basic strategy doesn't work.
Hr: Well you're going to lose money either way, you're just going to lose a lot less money in the long run if you actually play basic strategy.
Om: Nope, I guarantee you will win money if you don't play basic strategy. Basic strategy doesn't work in this game anyways because the dealer only has one card. Besides, if basic strategy works so well, why isn't the guy who invented it playing blackjack? Because it doesn't work.
At this point I let out a little chuckle, agreed with everything he said from then on, watched him double 3-4's against K's, split 10's against 4's, and watched him leave up $1100 after an hour betting $50. The funny thing is, seeing as positive variance was with him, he'll think he's right.
Last night an older man sat down and immediately started making fun of the people at the table who weren't playing basic strategy. Not to their face, but just quietly to me because I was sitting beside him. After about 15 hands or so he was dealt A-7 against a dealer 6, and stood. After he stood, this was the conversation that took place:
Hotroddy: Really? I thought you played basic strategy?
Oldman: I do, but A-7 isn't a hit against a 6.
Hr: No, it's a double against a 6 actually.
Om: No way, never. Besides, basic strategy doesn't work.
Hr: Well you're going to lose money either way, you're just going to lose a lot less money in the long run if you actually play basic strategy.
Om: Nope, I guarantee you will win money if you don't play basic strategy. Basic strategy doesn't work in this game anyways because the dealer only has one card. Besides, if basic strategy works so well, why isn't the guy who invented it playing blackjack? Because it doesn't work.
At this point I let out a little chuckle, agreed with everything he said from then on, watched him double 3-4's against K's, split 10's against 4's, and watched him leave up $1100 after an hour betting $50. The funny thing is, seeing as positive variance was with him, he'll think he's right.
ihate17
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I may have a job for you
Hotroddy
When I am playing and I can see the dealers hole card almost all the time, I can often use someone like yourself to throw my voodoo comments out and then do things like double 9 against a dealer 10 because I know he has a 6 in the hole and so one.
I say a lot of dumb things at these times, play like a maniac and then hit the road.
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Hotroddy
When I am playing and I can see the dealers hole card almost all the time, I can often use someone like yourself to throw my voodoo comments out and then do things like double 9 against a dealer 10 because I know he has a 6 in the hole and so one.
I say a lot of dumb things at these times, play like a maniac and then hit the road.
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