Funniest Arguement against Counters ever

[Dyepaintball12]

I just ordered "The Hot Shoe" (pretty good but pretty general, at least nice to be able to put faces with big names) and was watching it yesterday.

At one point the director is interviewing a man who works to catch counters, who I recognized from one of the History Channels documentaries on the MIT Team, and the guy was arguing why card counting is terrible.

"Is it fair for a card counter to come in and win all this money while Bob over here who works for Coke from Indiana is buying in with $100 and losing it all?"

"Card Counters should not be allowed to play! They take money from the casinos, and casinos have employees with families and pensions they need to fund. Casinos need their profit margins to remain in business!"

It was absolutely the funniest arguments I have ever heard against counting.

 

[sagefr0g]

I just ordered "The Hot Shoe" (pretty good but pretty general, at least nice to be able to put faces with big names) and was watching it yesterday.

At one point the director is interviewing a man who works to catch counters, who I recognized from one of the History Channels documentaries on the MIT Team, and the guy was arguing why card counting is terrible.

"Is it fair for a card counter to come in and win all this money while Bob over here who works for Coke from Indiana is buying in with $100 and losing it all?"

"Card Counters should not be allowed to play! They take money from the casinos, and casinos have employees with families and pensions they need to fund. Casinos need their profit margins to remain in business!"

It was absolutely the funniest arguments I have ever heard against counting.

it's imho really no different than how all the rest of the natural world works. not that i know how the natural world works.
but really when you think about it for what ever reason there is this prevalent predator and prey theme coursing throughout the scheme of things.
more speculation here, but probably, just my guess, but probably the predator and prey thing is how this whole little drama works out best, heck it's probably even necessary for both predator and prey.
...... can't we just all get along? :laugh:

another thing along the point in question is how nature is relatively efficient, nature essentially abhors waste.
so it seems reasonable that a casino (just like any other natural system) probably becomes to a degree wasteful or inefficient. it would only seem natural that something is going to come into play to balance out the waste and inefficiency.

 

[rukus]

it's imho really no different than how all the rest of the natural world works. not that i know how the natural world works.
but really when you think about it for what ever reason there is this prevalent predator and prey theme coursing throughout the scheme of things.
more speculation here, but probably, just my guess, but probably the predator and prey thing is how this whole little drama works out best, heck it's probably even necessary for both predator and prey.
...... can't we just all get along? :laugh:

another thing along the point in question is how nature is relatively efficient, nature essentially abhors waste.
so it seems reasonable that a casino (just like any other natural system) probably becomes to a degree wasteful or inefficient. it would only seem natural that something is going to come into play to balance out the waste and inefficiency.

so fr0gman, are WE the predators and the casinos the prey, or are the casinos the predators and the ploppies the prey??

 

[sagefr0g]

so fr0gman, are WE the predators and the casinos the prey, or are the casinos the predators and the ploppies the prey??

it's all good if you can some how figure out how to work it.

 

[RJT]

another thing along the point in question is how nature is relatively efficient, nature essentially abhors waste.

Christ, contender for PM in the UK David Cameron must be a force of nature then, with the amount he spews about being able to cut funding to public services without reducing the quality of the service - it's fine, we'll just cut the 'waste' out of education, the police and the NHS.

RJT.

 

[RJT]

so fr0gman, are WE the predators and the casinos the prey, or are the casinos the predators and the ploppies the prey??

A bit of both lol - back to the quote though, that was one of the most irrational, illogical defences i've ever seen someone make of their life - seriously it's like any other competitive enterprise. Is it fair that Patrick Ewing (i'm trying to choose a US sports start from my very limited knowledge) can go out on the court and make money doing it simply because he put the practice is when Billy here can barely bounce a ball and isn't going to get paid s*it to play basketball?

RJT.

 

[nc-tom]

I just ordered "The Hot Shoe" (pretty good but pretty general, at least nice to be able to put faces with big names) and was watching it yesterday.

At one point the director is interviewing a man who works to catch counters, who I recognized from one of the History Channels documentaries on the MIT Team, and the guy was arguing why card counting is terrible.

"Is it fair for a card counter to come in and win all this money while Bob over here who works for Coke from Indiana is buying in with $100 and losing it all?"

"Card Counters should not be allowed to play! They take money from the casinos, and casinos have employees with families and pensions they need to fund. Casinos need their profit margins to remain in business!"

It was absolutely the funniest arguments I have ever heard against counting.

Hard to believe someone would really say that. Dumbest thing I have heard since the time I was playing craps, missed hitting the back wall and the box man says" must hit the back wall,need to keep it a fair game for the casino" Ha what a joke.

 

[aslan]

Hard to believe someone would really say that. Dumbest thing I have heard since the time I was playing craps, missed hitting the back wall and the box man says" must hit the back wall,need to keep it a fair game for the casino" Ha what a joke.

"Grandma," said Little Red Riding Hood, "Put your head a little further in the Big Bad Wolf's mouth and a little to the left." "There, that looks like a fair advantage. After all, he IS the Big Bad Wolf, and what's fair is fair!"

 

[UK-21]

. . ."Card Counters should not be allowed to play! They take money from the casinos, and casinos have employees with families and pensions they need to fund. Casinos need their profit margins to remain in business!"

You could say the same about organised criminal gangs - those that profit from the activities of the scum that sell drugs to our children, mislead vulnerable young women into lives of prostitution and take huge sums of money from desperate people looking for a better life in wealthier countries. No doubt that many such criminals have dependents and lifestyle costs to meet as well. Anyone working for a casino that seriously subscribes to this arguement needs to be certified.

 

[KimLee]

"Is it fair for a card counter to come in and win all this money while Bob over here who works for Coke from Indiana is buying in with $100 and losing it all?".

IIRC that lame quote was by Andy Anderson from Griffin. He should have said:

Like any business, we try to offer better deals to our bigger customers. For example, the rules are better on the high-limit tables. Experienced players learn to play better, and can shave the house edge down to within a fraction of a percent of break-even. This is good, because it allows the casino to offer great deals to high-volume customers.

The problem is when professionals abuse this situation. Organized teams with million dollar bankrolls hire engineering majors from MIT. These players can earn hundreds or even thousands of dollars per hour for their investors. That's more than the combined salaries of the dealer, the floor manager, and the pit boss! It puts us in an untenable situation. If we allow them to play then we must pass the cost onto other customers. That means worsening the rules for all players.

Millions of people visit Vegas every year, and less than 1% of 1% are barred from playing. This is no different than a buffet barring competitive eaters. Limiting professionals is good for the customers, it's good for the casino, and ultimately it's good for society when that MIT engineer gets a real job doing something productive instead of grifting.

 

[QFIT]

This is no different than a buffet barring competitive eaters.

In my next book, I am claiming that I have been barred from eating at every buffet in Vegas. Wait 'till you see the simulator software and graphs.

 

[MAZ]

Limiting professionals is good for the customers, it's good for the casino, and ultimately it's good for society when that MIT engineer gets a real job doing something productive instead of grifting.

Oh really. What a generic paintbrush swipe. Over 80% of those incarcerated in the prison system are black. Maybe we can rid ourselves of that pesky troublesome race to help society as well. Its great to hear such enlightened individuals on how society can determine what someone is better off doing with there education, and life in general. Such informed thinking! So sage minded are those that can find the better good by using others as tools.

 

[rukus]

ultimately it's good for society when that MIT engineer gets a real job doing something productive instead of grifting.

hey now, i disagree! even us grifting beavers contribute to society :whip::flame:

(see that other h17 vs s17 vs kj vs cp vs etc etc that was split into multiple threads. dont make us start another one here)

Oh really. What a generic paintbrush swipe. Over 80% of those incarcerated in the prison system are black. Maybe we can rid ourselves of that pesky troublesome race to help society as well. Its great to hear such enlightened individuals on how society can determine what someone is better off doing with there education, and life in general. Such informed thinking! So sage minded are those that can find the better good by using others as tools.

+1!

 

[London Colin]

In my next book, I am claiming that I have been barred from eating at every buffet in Vegas. Wait 'till you see the simulator software and graphs.

Pie charts, presumably.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

... and ultimately it's good for society when that MIT engineer gets a real job doing something productive instead of grifting.

Who the hell is grifting? A casino's marketing is far closer to grifting than what a counter does. If they really believed that, they should shut down their casino and send all those intelligent and talented (in a pig's ass) professionals who work there out to do something productive instead of grifting old people with their slots. Funny how they don't wring their hands over the loss to society when an engineer with a gambling problem blows his paycheck at the craps table.

Thus the AP really is doing something productive, by helping to bankrupt the casino and free all the pit bosses and game protection people to take up careers in rocket science. Most AP's do this only part time, the employees are the ones wasting their lives in the casino.

 

[KimLee]

In my next book, I am claiming that I have been barred from eating at every buffet in Vegas. Wait 'till you see the simulator software and graphs.

I reserve the title Professional Buffet Play, featuring my progression system.

 

[daddybo]

I reserve the title Professional Buffet Play, featuring my progression system.

ROFL... I tried various progressions at the buffet, but I have found there to be gastrointestinal limits on the higher end.


Qfit... have you run a sim with the Salmon tagged -3 and the fried foods at +2.? :whip:

 

[Renzey]

In my next book, I am claiming that I have been barred from eating at every buffet in Vegas. Wait 'till you see the simulator software and graphs.

A friend of mine owns a large produce store. When I told him that one can be barred from a casino for playing blackjack too well, he replied in amazement, "I can't believe it! I can just see me telling a little old woman at my checkout counter, I'm sorry Maam, you'll have to leave -- you've got too many sale items in your cart. They'd run me outa town!

 

[JulieCA]

A friend of mine owns a large produce store. When I told him that one can be barred from a casino for playing blackjack too well, he replied in amazement, "I can't believe it! I can just see me telling a little old woman at my checkout counter, I'm sorry Maam, you'll have to leave -- you've got too many sale items in your cart. They'd run me outa town!

Most of the really good sales limit the number of items one can purchase.

Really - in the greater scheme of things- how much are card counters hurting the casinos? If casinos stopped harassing counters and just adopted a live-and-let-live policy, do you really think they'd see a substantial difference in their bottom line?

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Most of the really good sales limit the number of items one can purchase.

Really - in the greater scheme of things- how much are card counters hurting the casinos? If casinos stopped harassing counters and just adopted a live-and-let-live policy, do you really think they'd see a substantial difference in their bottom line?

If they trained their staff to recognize counters then they could catch them and wouldn't have to destroy their own games!

I mean yeah stuff like BP Teams would take a little longer to catch but they are just losing sooo much money by dealing such poor Pen!