zengrifter
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He didn't say he'd stop posting??? zgSeverity8 said:nooooooo you will be missed man spent a lot of my time reading the words of dear Aslan.
He didn't say he'd stop posting??? zgSeverity8 said:nooooooo you will be missed man spent a lot of my time reading the words of dear Aslan.
Its all one grand adventure Brother Aslan. Praise HIM! zgaslan said:Where I be headed, the "long run" takes on new meaning, and everyone is a winner.* But, hey, it really gets tiresome when you can't lose! I think I'll probably take up new adventures.
well, aslan isn't only planning to flat bet per the OP.....MangoJ said:It seems the rollercoaster game is what it takes to be a winner on counting blackjack.
To my ears, "recreational play" is an alias for "gambling problem" - first used by the casino to justify business. Hell, those are drug dealers plain right in front of you, and you know it.
Justifying flat bets (or any other -EV game) with "recreational play" by yourself is the development of a gambling problem.
Blackjack is a so freaking boring game, who would ever play it in their free time ?
As Adi Da might say, that makes two of HIM. :laugh:BJgenius007 said:zg has no friends. He is a grumpy old man.
I find nothing boring about pushing out $1,000 and receiving two face cards.... especially when the dealer has a four showing and a ten in the hole.... and hits a seven! :laugh: You might say punishing, but never boring!steiner said:^^ the game as such may be boring, but the math behind it is pretty cool, especially for a mathematician with interest in game theory / statistics.
"...computing basic strategy from your own mind up to compositinal play, get EVs matching all 7 digits as published by WoO... now that's what I call exciting!! :laugh::devil::laugh::devil::whip:MangoJ said:From a mathematical point this game is also boring. It's a game with same information for all actors. And others players decisions are uncorrelated to your play, and the dealer has no freedom of decisions: you are effectively the only player of that game.
Further, this game has been already been fully solved with combinatorial analysis for almost each decision to make.
Counting systems, index tables, and bet sizes are just a "engineer" problem to find a suitable approximation to the exact (and known!) solution that is inexpencive for human play. Nothing fundamental compared to a real mathematical problem.
Poker is a far more interesting game from the mathematical side.
I'm not saying Blackjack is boring in an entertaining way. I spent just 4 month from completely zero knowledge of blackjack to a full combinatorial analysis giving EV and variance of each and every decision option. It was just for pure entertaining, a mental exercise.
Nothing is more rewarding than computing basic strategy from your own mind up to compositinal play, get EVs matching all 7 digits as published by WoO. Sure this work has already been done (and hence is boring in terms of science), but is hell of a joyride.
At least when becoming addicted to an activity, make it +EV for your life. (music, sports, or AP)
Well, I'm not leaving the Forum, that's for sure. I mean, what's the alternative, the PBB?*creeping panther said:You gents need to understand that for us guys, gals, in our 60's things may look alot different and our goals, needs, capabilities also change.
I wish Aslan the best, he will be back, probably will never leave:laugh:
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Why dont you tell'us how much your really down?aslan said:I'm giving card counting a rest for a while. I am really tired of the roller coaster and short run high risk. I'm a short run kind of guy, so I find it very difficult to play the long run game. I want to win in the here and now, and I can't always do that with card counting. My most recent experience was having the following happen in a three day trip: Up $2,700; down $2,000; even; down $4,000; and lastly, up $1,000 (I left winning $1,000). I hate to leave when I am behind-- so much for the one continuous session concept. I also hate the prospects of losing big any given session, even though I know I will come out ahead in the long run.
I will probably continue to count, but reduce my bet spread to almost nothing. I will continue to apply indexes in decision making. The difference will be that I will be playing low limit and either flat betting or hardly raising my bet. This means I am reducing my game from a profit making one to a purely recreational one. I know I said I like to win in the short run and this will be less probable without proper bet spreading, but I don't consider small losses/wins to be losses or wins at all. The losses are reasonable payment for the fun and social aspects of the game, and the wins are temporary advances in a long run losing game. I'll also garner a few comps.
Let's see how long I'll last as a red chipper! I'm applying my trip bankroll ($5,000) to my home mortgage, and will adopt a very small bankroll approach to playing blackjack and VP-- I'm guessing, $300 to $500, an amount that I could spend on a couple of Vegas shows or a class restaurant. This will be a far cry from my last trip where I played the high roller room for the first time and even made several $1,000 bets. The extra large bets were a product of my distaste for ending a short run session loser. So I'm going out on a winning session. I wonder if any of you old timers have had any similar epiphany.
I will tell you a story to make you feel better because misery likes company.aslan said:I find nothing boring about pushing out $1,000 and receiving two face cards.... especially when the dealer has a four showing and a ten in the hole.... and hits a seven! :laugh: You might say punishing, but never boring!
Ouch! :cry::whip:BJgenius007 said:Dealer turned his down card over. It was another ace. Then slowly he drew another card. It is a ten. Now I am happy. There is 84% of the chance I will won this hand, 8% to tie, only 8% to lose if the next card is a nine.
Dealer drew another card. It was nine.
Hey, I feel your pain, and such things often happen several times in a row.BJgenius007 said:I will tell you a story to make you feel better because misery likes company.
This morning I lost 75% of my max bets, which is very unusually high. It is a DD game which I won 9 of my last 10 trips and the dealer claims it is the most popular (and best) game in the east coast.
Anyway, after losing 5 straight max bet in the last 30 minutes, an opportunity approached. Dealer has dealt 1.25 decks and I have only seen 2 aces, so the remaining 0.75 deck is super ace rich. The running count is +14. That transforms to +19 TC. To recoup all my losses, I bet 16 units. (My max bet for this game was 8 units.) I got 20. (Joy!) All other 6 players got 13, 14 or 15. (Feel sad for my fellow APs.) The dealer's upcard was an Ace (Sad! Really Sad!!) Dealer asked if anyone wanted to buy Insurance. Are you nuts? TC was +19. I spent another 8 units to buy insurance. The other 3 APs also did it as well.
It is not a TEN. "F*ck!" One AP couldn't contain himself and cursed after losing 12 units on this hand. All other six players (it is a full table) chose to hit even I wanted to scream to some of them, "Surrender! Surrender! Surrender is the correct play for most of the index plays." Oddly enough, all six of them got a face card to bust their hands eventually, after some of them got an ace first. The running count was down to +2. TC was now only +4.
Dealer turned his down card over. It was another ace. Then slowly he drew another card. It is a ten. Now I am happy. There is 84% of the chance I will won this hand, 8% to tie, only 8% to lose if the next card is a nine.
Dealer drew another card. It was nine.
If I have four friends at BJINFO I am a wealthy man.BJgenius007 said:zg has no friends. He is a grumpy old man.
Is that a BJgeniusism or were you just on tilt? zgBJgenius007 said:To recoup all my losses, I bet 16 units. (My max bet for this game was 8 units.)
"Come home to the Zone." z:laugh:gaslan said:Well, I'm not leaving the Forum, that's for sure. I mean, what's the alternative, the PBB?*
I thought better of stirring the pot, and decided to return your big stirring spoon. :laugh:zengrifter said:Where did Kewl's comment go, I was getting ready to draw! zg