Hi, I'm new, I worked in the industry, in ...
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Finn Dog said:
It just stood out allot more, the only thing I can say is Holiday weekends or very busy weekends when its so packed in the major casinos that you dont look to suspicious. That one is hard to get by, just hope you have a weak pit and surveillance department. Once that big bet comes down after your signalled in, the pit starts getting itchy. Maybe try to bet without having the dealer say cheques play, different amount at each house. If you are back counting, the biggest thing is to watch if the PM comes into the pit and eyes start to roll toward you. The pit was the main one to spot back counting and notify us.
Very good point, if you return a month later it's OK. Just make sure you dint return to the shift you got caught on. Here the tricky part, Surv. departments shifts are usually 8 to 4pm, 4pm to midnight, midnight to 8am. The PM, Floor are 11am to 7PM, 7PM to 3am, 3am to 11am. CSM's are 2 hours before the PM and Floor. Give or take an hour or two depending on the property. Just depends if Super Operator or the Bloodhound PM, CSM are working. Supervisors in surv. are usually off Sun-Mon. If you return in a week, yes you have a high chance of getting caught, but may be able to get away with it if you return on a different shift. I would guess 12 hour spaces are great. Go in at noon and if you get caught or win, return another time at midnight. I won't say you won't get caught but its unlikely, its all about percentages right?Katweezel said:
Pretty much same as an 86, but techincally youre not 86'ed, you have done nothing wrong so they can't hold you. I dont know why they never have never detained a AP after already asking them to leave. They do it with everyone else, I believe because techincally an AP has done nothing wrong and Metro or Gaming can't be called. Has anyone ever been detained for returned after being asked to leave?
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Finn Dog said:
If its 50 units betting $25 I would say a week or two. Come back 12 hours after the last play, if you played at 4pm, then return at 4 am. If you win 200 units, stay away for a few weeks. There will usually be a flyer in the room after a 200 unit win if its $25 units. It will be laying around nd talked about and the supervisors will stay on it for a couple weeks, so 3 to 4 weeks to be safe.
Finn Dog
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Mr. M:Mr.M said:
What about if you had a losing session? I've heard you mention before that nobody cares, so can you return later that same day 12 hours later or the next day on the same shift?
Also, how long would you advise limiting a losing session to?
Best regards,
FD
If you lose you can come back in an hour, unless they know your face. If you lose and have all the signs of a counter, explained beofe then they will keep an eye on you, they wont do anything if youre losing, but once you start to win they will ask you to leave.Finn Dog said:
I need help with that one too, but as far getting caught if youre throwing strong camouflage then they wont mess with you.
I went to a local joint, got ahead $50 in the first 20 min. Lost the last 2 hours. I wonder if at the $50 ahead mark if any of you would have left? These are questions I need help with, when and why, to leave\????
Finn Dog
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Two Questions
Mr. M:
1. Regarding booze: I've read that one possible red flag the Pit and the Eye use is a player who's drinking Evian or coffee or just not drinking alcohol...is this really true? And wouldn't it apply only to evenings (because I'd think a lot of people don't want to drink booze in the afternoon--let alone in the morning)?
2. Regarding age: I've also read that the Pit and the Eye are inherently more suspicious of young males in their early 20s. So the question is: are middle-aged graying males automatically given more of a pass--or is everyone suspected equally? (Now hopefully I've disguised this question with enough camo that it's not really apparent which of these two demographics I fall into...you know, in case Big Brother is reading...Dude.)
Best regards,
FD
Mr. M:
1. Regarding booze: I've read that one possible red flag the Pit and the Eye use is a player who's drinking Evian or coffee or just not drinking alcohol...is this really true? And wouldn't it apply only to evenings (because I'd think a lot of people don't want to drink booze in the afternoon--let alone in the morning)?
2. Regarding age: I've also read that the Pit and the Eye are inherently more suspicious of young males in their early 20s. So the question is: are middle-aged graying males automatically given more of a pass--or is everyone suspected equally? (Now hopefully I've disguised this question with enough camo that it's not really apparent which of these two demographics I fall into...you know, in case Big Brother is reading...Dude.)
Best regards,
FD
I think having nothing is better than water or a bottle of water. Daytime the those stand out.
The age doesn't really matter, the bigest tip off is watching the game intently. I'm not sure how hard these othr count systems are, but I have found using the hi-lo is very easy without having to watch the game intenly. Given you have 4 or 5 spots playing, 1 to 2 are yours.
The age doesn't really matter, the bigest tip off is watching the game intently. I'm not sure how hard these othr count systems are, but I have found using the hi-lo is very easy without having to watch the game intenly. Given you have 4 or 5 spots playing, 1 to 2 are yours.
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JSTAT
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Questions for Mr. M
Mr. M, thanks for joining us. I have a few questions and hope that they will be answered by you. Surveillance has Facial Recognition Software(FRS) containing pictures of many counters. When a counter is fliered, does that picture go into the FRS system? Do you use the FRS system to initially identify counters? Strip surveillance departments had a shared intelligence organization called Surveillance Information Network, SIN for short. Does SIN still exist? Can a counter be identified once they are on the property using the FRS system? It was tried at the Super Bowl a few years ago in Tampa Bay. The software scanned the crowd to look for people with criminal records.
JSTAT
Mr. M, thanks for joining us. I have a few questions and hope that they will be answered by you. Surveillance has Facial Recognition Software(FRS) containing pictures of many counters. When a counter is fliered, does that picture go into the FRS system? Do you use the FRS system to initially identify counters? Strip surveillance departments had a shared intelligence organization called Surveillance Information Network, SIN for short. Does SIN still exist? Can a counter be identified once they are on the property using the FRS system? It was tried at the Super Bowl a few years ago in Tampa Bay. The software scanned the crowd to look for people with criminal records.
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The software I have seen blows. You can put a face in and hit search, lets say you have a WMA, the search results bring up woman, Black men. It is the biggest hyped thing, when I see the shows and see how much they lie, it ****ing kills me.
A few years ago, the big order came down that casinos aren't allowed to share pictures, this new movement of politically correct has even spread to the surveillance rooms. They did away with the software at this casino I was at. The only thing is they send emails within the properties, so the more MGM/Mirage, stations, and Harrahs sells off the better. As far as I know SIN isn't used either, they can't distribute pictures like they use to.
A few years ago, the big order came down that casinos aren't allowed to share pictures, this new movement of politically correct has even spread to the surveillance rooms. They did away with the software at this casino I was at. The only thing is they send emails within the properties, so the more MGM/Mirage, stations, and Harrahs sells off the better. As far as I know SIN isn't used either, they can't distribute pictures like they use to.
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callipygian
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So you still need to actually snap a photo (as opposed to just photographing everyone who walks into the property and automatically searching everyone)?Mr.M said:
Radio Frequency IDentification of chips. A small chip is planted in the high denomination chips allowing them to know where they are and how many are being bet.Mr.M said:
Finn Dog
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Callipygian,callipygian said:
My understanding of the current state of facial recognition software is that it's (still) basically just a super high tech scarecrow.
I say that because in order for the thing to work, they'd have to literally take a mug shot of a person: that is, a close-up shot of your face straight on (not from above, IE: the eye), then it's got to be done in perfect lighting (again, like a mug shot), all while wearing no glasses (so everyone ditch the contacts and get out the Big 80s frames); seriously, the current rimless eyewear doesn't do as good a job as thicker frames.
Apparently still flawed, just like the HAL 9000.
Best regards,
FD
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tribute
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Where I play, even red chips are implanted. A sensor under the table felt recognizes the amount wagered per hand dealt. This information is fed to a computer which keeps a running tally of all bets per player. I believe the pit can quickly determine the players total wins and losses over an extended period. My point is this:
Doesn't the utilization of this computerized tracking system make useless any effort to stagger playing times between shifts? The casino always knows when and how much you bet!
Where I play, even red chips are implanted. A sensor under the table felt recognizes the amount wagered per hand dealt. This information is fed to a computer which keeps a running tally of all bets per player. I believe the pit can quickly determine the players total wins and losses over an extended period. My point is this:
Doesn't the utilization of this computerized tracking system make useless any effort to stagger playing times between shifts? The casino always knows when and how much you bet!
Nazgul
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It depends on how you use your players card. If you don't use one you can switch shifts much easier. If you use one properly it can actually give you great cover.If you are careful you can maintain a lifetime loss in their system for a long time. The computer has a much better memory than most pit bosses and you can use that you your advantage.tribute said:
Never heard of that, are you sure this is legit? I need to ask someone still in the business if this true. I have never heard of that, I have been out since 07 so maybe its something new. I would guess its another bullshit casino lie to make people believe, but I will look into it.callipygian said:
WOW, I havent asked yet. Sounds like bullshit, if the casino gets any fake cheques they quickly bring the new cheques into play. Again I may be wrong, but there tight asses aren't going to keep paying for chips to be installed. This is mind blowing, if its true its escaped me and I KNOW the company I worked for doesn't have this, atleast from whenI left. They are in too much to pay for extras like this.tribute said: