MIT Blackjack Team Operation Manual!!!

QFIT

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Pro21 said:
Is this just a free roll for the guy? I mean is it just one of those things they don't prosecute? I assume there is no reasonable way to sue the guy in another country. The whole thing really sucks.
I talked to two people about him. He has done this type of thing for years and loves to be taken to court. If you go after him, he will use a dozen aliases to post stories that you are a pedophile. Best to just file legal complaints to the publishing and blogging sites he uses. There are some strange people on the 'Net.
 

MJ1

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Copyright issues notwithstanding, does anyone have any thoughts with respect to the actual content of this document?
 

ladyluckbj

New Member
A few clarifications about "MIT BJ Team Op. Manual"

This does appear to include excerpts from our player manual and, as such, does constitute copyrighted material that was provided to players on a confidential basis. Whoever posted this on the web did so in violation of the confidentiality agreements executed by all players.

With regard to postings about expenses, players incurred almost no expenses while playing, as the General Partner raised $1MM to bankroll this venture and all player expenses, hotels, travel, meals, etc. were comped. In addition to receiving pay based on their hours played and skill level as well as a percentage of profits, players were also treated to many perks and freebies above and beyond basic "room, food, and beverage."

Furthermore, the team had minimal overhead other than the substantial guaranteed pay to players for casino play and regular administrative and accounting time. Of course, from an investor's perspective, the pay to players came off of the top as an expense of the partnership and thus the team had to generate profits in excess of this amount for there to be a return to investors. It is also important to note that for the Strategic Investments Limited Partnership in the early/mid 90's that a substantial portion of the investment came from the players on the team, including the General Partners who risked their capital on the same terms as the other players as well as outside investors.

From its beginnings in 1980 and over the course of 10+ years of play, the MIT BJ Team trained over 150 players, ran over 20 profitable "ventures", paid players an average of $100/hour, and generated average annual returns to investors of ~100%/year.
 

zengrifter

Banned
MJ1 said:
Okay, here are the first 7 pages of the MIT Team manual that was in action in 93, known as SI. ...Anybody know where the rest of it can be found?
Yes, it comes as part of Mike Aponte's counter-catcher seminars for casino stiffs. zg
 

MJ1

Well-Known Member
ladyluckbj said:
This does appear to include excerpts from our player manual and, as such, does constitute copyrighted material that was provided to players on a confidential basis. Whoever posted this on the web did so in violation of the confidentiality agreements executed by all players.

With regard to postings about expenses, players incurred almost no expenses while playing, as the General Partner raised $1MM to bankroll this venture and all player expenses, hotels, travel, meals, etc. were comped. In addition to receiving pay based on their hours played and skill level as well as a percentage of profits, players were also treated to many perks and freebies above and beyond basic "room, food, and beverage."

Furthermore, the team had minimal overhead other than the substantial guaranteed pay to players for casino play and regular administrative and accounting time. Of course, from an investor's perspective, the pay to players came off of the top as an expense of the partnership and thus the team had to generate profits in excess of this amount for there to be a return to investors. It is also important to note that for the Strategic Investments Limited Partnership in the early/mid 90's that a substantial portion of the investment came from the players on the team, including the General Partners who risked their capital on the same terms as the other players as well as outside investors.

From its beginnings in 1980 and over the course of 10+ years of play, the MIT BJ Team trained over 150 players, ran over 20 profitable "ventures", paid players an average of $100/hour, and generated average annual returns to investors of ~100%/year.
Thanks for joining us Lady Luck! I appreciate your post. Please note a player did not post this. A casino detective agency acquired the SI playing manual back in 92-93.

In the prospectus it states that a player can earn between $50 to $500 an hour. What type of game could afford such a high edge so as to warrant paying $500 in CE to a player per hour? That salary is astronomical! If players are paid 20% in CE for their play, then I reckon any player earning this type of salary was playing some sort of advanced game. I think Semyon was compensated at this rate. Then again, he lead the team in EV from what I understand.

Speaking of the advanced games, there is a lot of differing opinions amongst the MIT players with regard to the efficacy of employing +/- NRS, card steering, and ace tracking. In your assessment, did these games yield a statistically significant advantage for the MIT Team? Some former members say these games were quite profitable, while others say money was pissed away in those games. Your thoughts please?

One thing about your post that strikes me as odd is that you said "player expenses, hotels, travel, meals, etc. were comped". Why would a spotter flat betting $15-25 a hand receive such a high level of comps? I hardly think this type of betting level justifies the comps you mentioned. As for the BPs on the team, obviously they would receive the high roller treatment and are a whole another story. Perhaps the BPs were sharing their comps with the rest of the team?

MJ
 
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kewljason

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ladyluckbj said:
This does appear to include excerpts from our player manual and, as such, does constitute copyrighted material that was provided to players on a confidential basis.
Hate to be the voice of skepticism, but... this person shows up, first post ever, using the phrase "our player manual" and we are just suppossed to accept that they were a MIT team player?
 

moo321

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Pro21 said:
Is this just a free roll for the guy? I mean is it just one of those things they don't prosecute? I assume there is no reasonable way to sue the guy in another country. The whole thing really sucks.
Copyrights are a civil issue. It's your job to protect your intellectual property; as far as I know the government doesn't criminally prosecute people for violating copyrights.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
kewljason said:
Hate to be the voice of skepticism, but... this person shows up, first post ever, using the phrase "our player manual" and we are just suppossed to accept that they were a MIT team player?
Whats the problem. Everybody knows everything on the internet is 100% accurate.
 

RJT

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kewljason said:
Hate to be the voice of skepticism, but... this person shows up, first post ever, using the phrase "our player manual" and we are just suppossed to accept that they were a MIT team player?
I could hazard a guess at who the poster might be and if right they probably know more about this topic than all but a few others.
But if your skeptical - ask her some questions. It usually doesn't take all that long to split the people who pretend they know everything and those that actually do know what they're talking about.

RJT.
 

kewljason

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RJT said:
I could hazard a guess at who the poster might be and if right they probably know more about this topic than all but a few others.
But if your skeptical - ask her some questions. It usually doesn't take all that long to split the people who pretend they know everything and those that actually do know what they're talking about.RJT.
guess at who the poster might be??

See thats precisely what I'm talking about. And now you want me to interogate her (or him) as if they are on trial??

I am not trying to be difficult here, but as shad suggusted, anyone can claim to be anyone on the internet. Usually we have the opportunity to read a number of posts by someone, or an established poster vouches for someone to establish some credibility. We have had neither in this case, just someone posting for the first time claiming to be a former mit team member.
 

RJT

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Honestly - distinguishing between a poster who can walk the walk and those who just talk it really isn't that difficult. I'm not vouching for anyone, and the poster may not be who she suggests, but you don't need to be the Spanish Inquesition to work it out.
Oh and you are trying to be difficult. I at no point suggested interrogation, only being smart enough to ask a few questions.
It really matters little anyway as i suspect this will be a one off visit.

RJT.
 

Tarzan

Banned
Needing to level...

I am just going to blurt it out... spill the beans... 'fess up... all this time you guys think I am a blackjack player and all---- but... well, I am actually a taco vendor from Nogales, Mexico that sometimes works part time on a spiffy little side gig picking watermelons.
 

shadroch

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RJT said:
Honestly - distinguishing between a poster who can walk the walk and those who just talk it really isn't that difficult. I'm not vouching for anyone, and the poster may not be who she suggests, but you don't need to be the Spanish Inquesition to work it out.
Oh and you are trying to be difficult. I at no point suggested interrogation, only being smart enough to ask a few questions.
It really matters little anyway as i suspect this will be a one off visit.

RJT.

If it was a real MIT person, and if it is a one time visit, they wasted their and our time as we have no way of authenticating them or their post.
 

RJT

Well-Known Member
shadroch said:
If it was a real MIT person, and if it is a one time visit, they wasted their and our time as we have no way of authenticating them or their post.
Tough luck - do you think it really matters a monkeys toss to the poster if they validate themselves to you? And it matters little anyway, no matter what was said there are certain people here who would never believe it. Long live the myth that there ever was a group from MIT that played blackjack successfully.

RJT.
 
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zengrifter

Banned
QFIT said:
If you write something on a napkin in a restaurant and hand it to a buddy, it is published and copyrighted as soon as he takes it and all rights are reserved.
And a little known piece of history - Casino Verte was originally written on a cocktail napkin at bar. zg
 

QFIT

Well-Known Member
zengrifter said:
And a little known piece of history - Casino Verte was originally written on a cocktail napkin at bar. zg
This isn't far off. I designed the table formats at a "gentleman's club" and wrote them on scraps of paper. And there are details that I didn't include in the parables chapter to keep the book reasonably "polite."

And incidentally, I do hold a co-patent based on a discussion and scribbling on napkins at a NY restaurant.
 
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zengrifter

Banned
QFIT said:
This isn't far off. I designed the table formats at a "gentleman's club" and wrote them on scraps of paper. And there are details that I didn't include in the parables chapter to keep the book reasonably "polite."
Sexual arousal has been proven to stimulate bursts of creative cerebral processes. zg
 

shadroch

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RJT said:
Tough luck - do you think it really matters a monkeys toss to the poster if they validate themselves to you? And it matters little anyway, no matter what was said there are certain people here who would never believe it. Long live the myth that there ever was a group from MIT that played blackjack successfully.

RJT.
I don't know why you have a bug up your ass, nor do I really care.
The poster, whomever they were, posted because they were trying to communicate something. Their attempt was an utter failure. Anything else is just noise.
 
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