gamblingghost
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Well, just what did you say!? First you say you said SHE is stupid. Now you say you didn't say that,grrrr. Next you say to your family, do as I say, not as I do! That is not clever. It is ..........pit15 said:
Oscar grinders
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If you intentionally gain added information about the hole card and use it, it is cheating. If you use added information about the hole card gained innocently it is not. I don't make the laws. After you are caught the correlation of your play and wins to that/those seats will convict you.
gamblingghost
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Well that's nice to know. But, you will stand close, breathe on a player,pit15 said:
touch them, fart on them, insult them, lord knows what else you will do to
them. But, you won't spill a drink on them , sweet, real sweet.
Sitting in a particular seat with the intention of purposefully gaining hole card information and then using it is cheating. If you were coincidentally in the seat and used the information it is not cheating. That is why the correlation of your wins to your favorite seat is what will convict you.
Lonesome Gambler
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Don't be ridiculous. Seeing the hole card by accident is not cheating, but seeing it on purpose is? And in case you're wondering, the law is pretty clear on this. Legal; not cheating—period.tthree said:
You guys really need to get a grip.
pit15 is definitely being an obnoxious a-hole in his efforts to shoo ploppies out of favored seats, but at least he's honest about it. There's a moral line there, but the reality is that seat is worth hundreds or thousands of dollars to him. Plenty of people do this stuff and worse for that kind of payout (or less). It's awful, but for big $, it's at least understandable.
As for considering this kind of play cheating, you're flat wrong. It's been thoroughly established that what pit15 doing is completely legal.
Both aspects are purely up to the individual player. If you don't like it, or don't approve, and it crosses your moral boundary, don't do it. But it's not illegal.
pit15 is definitely being an obnoxious a-hole in his efforts to shoo ploppies out of favored seats, but at least he's honest about it. There's a moral line there, but the reality is that seat is worth hundreds or thousands of dollars to him. Plenty of people do this stuff and worse for that kind of payout (or less). It's awful, but for big $, it's at least understandable.
As for considering this kind of play cheating, you're flat wrong. It's been thoroughly established that what pit15 doing is completely legal.
Both aspects are purely up to the individual player. If you don't like it, or don't approve, and it crosses your moral boundary, don't do it. But it's not illegal.
tallmanvegas
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This conversation is reminding me of that scene in the movie Casino, when the a-hole cowboy wouldn't take his feet off the table and Deniro calls his security and tells them to open the door with his head:laugh:
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gamblingghost
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hmm, you want it both ways eh? You seem to be saying if I'm honest about treating people like crap then it is ok? If it is for big bucks then it is understandable and alright?johndoe said:
At what point is self-centered behavior unhealthy?I'm saying that people have differing lines for standards of behavior when potentially large money is at stake. I'm pretty sure most people have a price at some level. Compared to other stories I've heard, pit15's behavior is on the gentle end.gamblingghost said:hmm, you want it both ways eh? You seem to be saying if I'm honest about treating people like crap then it is ok? If it is for big bucks then it is understandable and alright?
(It's probably unhealthy at all levels regardless. Part of the cost involved in this kind of game.)
Friendo
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Informative Thread - Thanks!
Great read, folks - a thorough exegesis of the definition and subtleties of Oscar's Grind. This discussion does this site proud. Hell, it does the Internet - nay, the whole human race - proud!
Like a golden shaft of inspiration shot between dark clouds parted just for the occasion, this thread is a flash of heaven's light on an otherwise dark and gloomy world.
For the remainder of our history as a species, men and women will remember this thread as a standard of reasoned discussion and gravitas.
Just awesome!
Great read, folks - a thorough exegesis of the definition and subtleties of Oscar's Grind. This discussion does this site proud. Hell, it does the Internet - nay, the whole human race - proud!
Like a golden shaft of inspiration shot between dark clouds parted just for the occasion, this thread is a flash of heaven's light on an otherwise dark and gloomy world.
For the remainder of our history as a species, men and women will remember this thread as a standard of reasoned discussion and gravitas.
Just awesome!
He better pray he doesn't do that to somebody with me. If he did it to me I just wouldn't leave no matter what if I figured out he wanted my seat. If he did something like that to any meek friends of mine it would be the last time he ever does that. There are people you just dont do that to and not live to regret it. Maybe there is an exception to that as indicated by never being able to regret it. Some people only care about money. They would sell out their own mother for the right price. Others treat people right no matter what the cost. Pit15 let everyone know where he falls in this spectrum. Watch your back if you are his friend. You never know when money will motivate betrayal.
Actually I've never ripped off a friend. I've worked with other APers while chopping the action and never even thought of intentionally under reporting a win or over reporting a loss (in fact I'm EXTRA careful about making sure I'm tracking my buy ins accurately). I'm about the most honest person you'll find in that aspect. Of course, you can make whatever assumptions you want.tthree said:
Like I said, you never been in my situation. How you view things change drastically when you DO NOT GET YOUR PAYCHECK unless you get that seat. The dumbass ploppy can go lose their 3 - 7% at any seat in the casino. I can only make my 2.4 - 3.5% in 1 seat. It's not like counting where you can get a little bit of an extra edge if you can get people to leave during plus counts or what not (which doesn't warrant taking heat to get rid of people). For hole carding you make ZERO unless you get the seat. In the AP world there are plenty of people who go to much further extremes then I do to get people off a game. And btw, whoever said I was touching people, I don't go that far. Everything I do is generally NOT noticed by the pit/dealer or any other players at the table.
Oh, and the other players I've worked with, they're some of the biggest scumbags in the world from a ploppy's perspective, but I trust them fully, and they're very nice people aside from the times they need to run some asshole off a game. One of them got into an argument with a ploppy while I forced them to bet every single hand (if they didn't put a bet in the circle I would start asking for the seat.. then they would put a bet down) to set up a very uncomfortable situation.
Anyone who's serious about this doesn't like standing around all shift with their dick in their hand. If you're not placing bets you're not earning your paycheck. If you look in beyond counting, there's a lot of ways listed in it to get someone off a game, a lot of those methods are pretty standard in the industry.
Anyone who's serious about this doesn't like standing around all shift with their dick in their hand. If you're not placing bets you're not earning your paycheck. If you look in beyond counting, there's a lot of ways listed in it to get someone off a game, a lot of those methods are pretty standard in the industry.
gamblingghost
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What a coincidence! That book is written by a guy named GROSS Jean!:laugh:pit15 said: