Oscars Grind? Considering givin it a shot

[Kasi]

it's probably me that doesn't understand.

ok, so then essentially are you saying that say i start with a 500 unit bankroll. then say follow OG and at some point i reach 506 units.
then i lose five times and then i'm at 501 units. and then say i win, so now i got 502 units.
so are you saying my next bet would just be 1 unit? instead of betting 2 units?
i mean i was thinking it would be 2 units, cause i'd been up to 506 units and was shooting for 507 units sorta of thing? :

I'm sorry Wise One. You got it right - I missed that "you won" after 5 losses in a row lol. Me bad. :whip: :whip:

But I hope by reaching 506 at some point means you have won 6 individual series and each time began with 1 unit bet at 501, 502,503... etc.

That's fine - the only I don't like about is that, and why I always began each new series with 500 units, all you know at that point is you have a 100% success rate with 500 unit roll, 100% success rate with 501 unit roll...etc.

Unless of course I guess if you would stop with 6 units left if you lost the series beginning with 506 units lol.

 

[sagefr0g]

I'm sorry Wise One. You got it right - I missed that "you won" after 5 losses in a row lol. Me bad. :whip: :whip:

But I hope by reaching 506 at some point means you have won 6 individual series and each time began with 1 unit bet at 501, 502,503... etc.

well ok that brings me back to the original point about the incongruity of how one bets OG when you've gained units above your original bankroll.

so but yeah say you do, reach 506 at some point and you have won 6 individual series and each time began with 1 unit bet at 501, 502,503... etc
and then say you by betting just one unit on further series lose five times in a row, now your at 501, then, say you win and your at 502 so now you bet two units according to the rules.
ok fine thats the rules, but when you started out originally and you before had reached the same point (ie. 502) where you were up two units from your original starting point you was happy as a lark to be betting just one unit.
i mean, what's the differance? why one time you just want to risk one unit at the same point and now all of a sudden you want to risk two units?

i know it's just the rules how they work, fougetaboutit, lmao. it just makes me wonder thats all. incongruous approach it seems.
camo, maybe, lmao.
just have to wonder how Oscar would have answered. :whip:

That's fine - the only I don't like about is that, and why I always began each new series with 500 units, all you know at that point is you have a 100% success rate with 500 unit roll, 100% success rate with 501 unit roll...etc.

Unless of course I guess if you would stop with 6 units left if you lost the series beginning with 506 units lol.

yeah ok, i think i get your point, regarding your spread sheet and analysis of OG and all.

 

[carlsongs]

Oscars grind

I have spent the last year experimenting with Oscars Grind. I have figured out the best game to play Oscars Grind is craps. BJ you will lose more than 50% of hands and you can get dug into a pit. Roulette (over 5% house edge) is the also less than 50% wins because of the 00-0 A single zero wheel is much better. At craps you can play the passline (1.41% house edge) or you can play the Dont pass (1.40% house edge) I have experimented at home playing both the Pass and the Dont Pass. I have over 20,000 decissions and Oscars Grind has always came out a winner. I bet with $5 units. The worst mess I got into was 740 units in the hole and I was up to betting 67 units each time and I still pulled out a winner. I have noticed a law of the third with roulette. The law of the third also applies to dice. I notice if the house is winning 25% more than the player. This is the break even point. Also I have notice a higher profit from the Pass Line over the Dont Pass. I am now up 6,300 units

 

[Kasi]

I have spent the last year experimenting with Oscars Grind. I have figured out the best game to play Oscars Grind is craps. BJ you will lose more than 50% of hands and you can get dug into a pit. Roulette (over 5% house edge) is the also less than 50% wins because of the 00-0 A single zero wheel is much better. At craps you can play the passline (1.41% house edge) or you can play the Dont pass (1.40% house edge) I have experimented at home playing both the Pass and the Dont Pass. I have over 20,000 decissions and Oscars Grind has always came out a winner. I bet with $5 units. The worst mess I got into was 740 units in the hole and I was up to betting 67 units each time and I still pulled out a winner. I have noticed a law of the third with roulette. The law of the third also applies to dice. I notice if the house is winning 25% more than the player. This is the break even point. Also I have notice a higher profit from the Pass Line over the Dont Pass. I am now up 6,300 units

Well, you have my curiosity piqued. Any chance the results of 20000 rolls of the dice, if that is what you meant by "decisions", is in a sheet you could post here?

 

[shadroch]

Would a table that permitted $5 bets allow you to jump your bets to $335?
Being 740 units in the hole means you were down $3700 betting $335 a hand. How did you get up 6,330 units? Not in 20,000 rolls. Impossible.

 

[Kasi]

Would a table that permitted $5 bets allow you to jump your bets to $335?
Being 740 units in the hole means you were down $3700 betting $335 a hand. How did you get up 6,330 units? Not in 20,000 rolls. Impossible.

Well, I don't see a problem with being allowed to bet $335 at a $5 min table. Maybe the table max is $500?

But, since any series of rolls that would result in a 1 unit win would be 6+ rolls on average, 20,000 rolls might mean 3000 1-unit wins in a row. So I agree with you it sounds pretty impossible to me too lol.

But I have no problem that OG would win that 1 unit 99.8+% of the time with a 1000 unit roll given enough min-to-max unit spread.

 

[shadroch]

Well, I don't see a problem with being allowed to bet $335 at a $5 min table. Maybe the table max is $500?

But, since any series of rolls that would result in a 1 unit win would be 6+ rolls on average, 20,000 rolls might mean 3000 1-unit wins in a row. So I agree with you it sounds pretty impossible to me too lol.

But I have no problem that OG would win that 1 unit 99.8+% of the time with a 1000 unit roll given enough min-to-max unit spread.

I'm dubious about the 99.8%, I think it's a smig lower, but no way you are up that after 20,000 rolls.
if you are playing a 50-50 game, after 20,000 rolls you'll have 10,000 losses and 10,000 wins for 0 profit.
If you won all 20,000 using loaded die you'd be up 20,000.

I don't play craps, so I'm asking if you could spread $5-500 on a table.
I'm all for a serious discussion of OG,and its benefits and drawbacks. Then some yahoo comes along with amazing claims and everyone goes back to treating it like voodoo.

 

[Kasi]

I'm dubious about the 99.8%, I think it's a smig lower, but no way you are up that after 20,000 rolls.
if you are playing a 50-50 game, after 20,000 rolls you'll have 10,000 losses and 10,000 wins for 0 profit.
If you won all 20,000 using loaded die you'd be up 20,000.

I'm all for a serious discussion of OG,and its benefits and drawbacks. Then some yahoo comes along with amazing claims and everyone goes back to treating it like voodoo.

Well, it depends on what he meant by 20000 rolls. Or did he say decisons - can't remember.

If he meant rolls of the dice then I doubt it can be true since it takes 6+ rolls or so on avg (I think - don't play craps either lol) to settle a pass line bet.

But using OG, a "series" is to me defined by as many rolls as it takes to either win that unit or go bust trying.

If he meant 20000 series, each of those representing a 1 unit win or loss of x units, I can see it.

The 99.8+% assumes a 1000 unit roll. It would be a smidge lower with fewer initial units in roll.

In your 50-50 example, say a coin-flip with even-money pay-off, yes, you'd expect the coin to have 10000 heads and 10000 tails. But with a 10000 unit roll, using OG, you will expect to win about 99.991% of your "series" - as many flips as it takes to either win a unit or lose all.

I don't know, off hand, the avg length (number of coin tosses) that result in a winning series or the avg length of coin-tosses that would result in a losing series with a 10000 unit roll. But it would be more coin-flips than a winning series.

I could speculate on stuff of what the OP may or may not be doing or what he may mean by using certain terminology or, even, if he was applying OG correctly or not.

Any guy who can record 20,000 decisions while practicing his understanding of a voodoo betting system, whether it's the way I understand it or not, has my respect.

If he had said he was 3000 units up, would that make it better to you?

It's always still voodoo, regardless of his results.

Even if it were to turn out he may be doing stuff while employing OG that I might not agree with completely, for one reason or another, I see no reason to slam a guy, especially in voodoo, without knowing all that's going on and welcome the chance to discuss what he's doing vs how maybe I might do it.

Was it you who used OG on BJ and still insisted on calling it OG - can't remember lol?

 

[shadroch]

It were I. I'll bet you $1 this guy doesn't have the records of 20,000 rolls, let alone 20,000 sequences( innings, as I call them.)

 

[Kasi]

It were I.

I'll bet you $1 this guy doesn't have the records of 20,000 rolls, let alone 20,000 sequences( innings, as I call them.)

That's cool Shadroch - just trying to remember lol. Not that it matters in any way.

I like calling them "innings" lol.

He may, he may not have the results of 20000 rolls of the dice in a format he can post easily. But that's why I asked for them, in case he did lol.

If not, he is no worse off than most "AP's" who estimate hands played 200 hours later only by number of hours at table.

Or make claims of wins so implausible as to defy imagination while purporting to use some "AP" system.

There's alot of parallels in the voodoo world and AP world. Even voodoo systems have their own expected %win rates to achieve a goal with so much of a roll lol.

 

[graylove]

Oscars Grind

Dont use Oscars Grind against BJ or the Roulette American Wheel. The best way to use OG is at the craps table betting pass or dont pass. The odds are 1.41 in favor of the house. I have over 20,000 decisions so far and everytime things got out of control. OG always will pull out of bad situations. You will need a big bankroll even for betting $5.00 units. The worst situation I was in was I was betting 60 units and down over 700 units when old OG pulled out ahead. This took me hours to pull out but in the long run I am ahead. I thought about quiting, but I wanted to see if OG can pull out of a deep hole. Well it pulled out and I want to do at least 80,000 more decisions before I can say it is a 100% winner.

 

[FLASH1296]

" ... before I can say it is a 100% winner."

Are you nuts ?

 

[Thunder]

Play OG with Craps is plain boring. You can be sitting there for a while waiting for them to seven out or hit the point.

 

[Kasi]

Play OG with Craps is plain boring. You can be sitting there for a while waiting for them to seven out or hit the point.

Do you really think the avg number of rolls to reach a decision on a pass-line bet would change whether one is using OG or not or randomly changing bets from $5 to $500 or just flat-betting between decisions?

Don't pick on OG just because the discipline of applying the OG system is the same level of discipline as applying some AP system.

A truly disciplined OG player making pass-line bets at craps already knows how long it takes per unit of time to arrive at a decision for a pass-line bet based on number of players at table, knows how many decisions he is likely to occur in the time alloted, knows how likely it is he may or may not occasionally exceed the table max while employing OG and whether another table is available to accomodate that max bet, knows how long he will be playing that game on a trip, knows chances of losing all within the next 5 hours, knows the chances of losing an x unit roll, etc.

How boring is it playing BJ knowing all those things and also knowing how long you will have to wait between decisions on a BJ hand?

Like decisions per hour doesn't enter into an OG player's calcs just as it does for an AP.

May one know all the same crap one knows while being an AP as while being an OG player.

Little difference separates the two. Except, OK, player advantage lol.

 

[Licentia]

Im not looking for a get rich quick scheme... but just want to try to play blackjack without losing my whole cash roll right away.

Learn Basic Strategy and Flat Bet. You won't get rich quick - at all - but you won't lose your cash roll right away.

Licentia

 

[Licentia]

The bad news is that a bankroll of up to 8,800 units was needed to complete EVERY SEQUENCE.

This is what I said quite some time ago. A Martingale will never fail so long as you can keep increasing your bets. That's why Casino's implement a table maximum.

If you run many Billions of hands you will see just how high the bankroll can go! But as with everything, there is a maximum. A maximum number of skips as well...

Licentia

 

[QFIT]

This is what I said quite some time ago. A Martingale will never fail so long as you can keep increasing your bets. That's why Casino's implement a table maximum.

Licentia

No, this is not why casinos have a table max. See [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]www.qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage17.htm . Also, the quote you have is hillariously wrong. Saliu knows less about gambling than my cat. And my cat died years ago. [/FONT]

 

[Licentia]

No, this is not why casinos have a table max. See [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]www.qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage17.htm . Also, the quote you have is hillariously wrong. Saliu knows less about gambling than my cat. And my cat died years ago. [/FONT]

You think they don't have table limits to prevent a Martingale but they do in order to prevent a BlackJack player from betting too high in a high count? Why have a limit in Roulette then? Because a card counter may make too high a bet on RED?

I think table limits go back before the time of card counters. All you need is a simple computer program to double the bets on losses in Roulette and you will see that if your bets are allowed to double without limit you will always get your money back. Eventually the losing streak will end. This is further evident by witnessing Roulette tables with higher maximums also having higher minimums.

Obviously with a much lower house edge in BlackJack/Baccarat it wouldn't require the bet to go near as high.

And as far as Saliu's quote I just put it here for discussion purposes. I have found "most" of Saliu's strategies to be bogus.

Licentia

 

[QFIT]

You think they don't have table limits to prevent a Martingale but they do in order to prevent a BlackJack player from betting too high in a high count? Why have a limit in Roulette then? Because a card counter may make too high a bet on RED?

I think table limits go back before the time of card counters. All you need is a simple computer program to increase the bets on losses in Roulette and you will see that if your bets are allowed to go as high as about $32,000 you will always get your money back. No streak lasts forever! Eventually the win will come. No Casino in the world would let you double up your bets to that amount!

Obviously with a much lower house edge in BlackJack/Baccarat it wouldn't require the bet to go near as high.

Licentia

That is ONE of the reasons for table limits. I listed several.

I have that simple program. Martingale will go bankrupt with ANY limit.

 

[iCountNTrack]

That is ONE of the reasons for table limits. I listed several.

I have that simple program. Martingale will go bankrupt with ANY limit.

Oh Norm, this is vodoo section stop bringing your blood pressure up for no reason, he can say whatever he wants as long as it is kept in this section. I am working on a script for vodoo section that generates an automated response as you have suggested :laugh:

NO SILLY, IT DOESNT WORK, GO COUNT THE CARDS

Saliu's quote is hilarious, but i like yours with the casino future scams better:
"To double your advantage 20 is an automatic split"

My apologies for the morning silliness, i should be banned for a week