Rhode Island-Video Blackjack Tables?

johndoe

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InPlay said:
Probally about 75% of the stories on this site are all bull. There are probally also many people with multiple ID posting the bull. Notice how a first time poster always has some kind of cock and bull story for you. They just keep coming.
I think that's an overreaction in this case. It was just someone new to this that was over-exuberant about what might have been a novel opportunity.

I find that most suspect info is corrected by others pretty quickly. It was in this case. Anyone expending significant time/expense on a rumor should be well aware of the risks they're taking.
 

shadroch

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I'm not sure about the 75% part, but a great many of the first posts fall into the Letters to Penthouse catagory.
 

shadroch

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Automatic Monkey said:
It would be pretty funny if when the machine detects counting it sends a video pit boss over to back you off.

The shuffle happening when the dealer changes is intuitive and squares with observation. I would like to see something from the manufacturer or gaming control people though, as it would be a really nasty way to fool us if the dealer changed at some constant but randomly defined point between shuffles.
Another test is to randomly pick a cars, say the 5 of Hearts. If seven of them come up with the same dealer, that would disprove my theory. And thats all I'm calling it- a theory that isn't yet proven.
 
shadroch said:
Another test is to randomly pick a cars, say the 5 of Hearts. If seven of them come up with the same dealer, that would disprove my theory. And thats all I'm calling it- a theory that isn't yet proven.
Thanks, brilliant idea! I happen to be able to keep 4 running counts at once so I can track all four 5's. Let's see how many shoes I'd have to go through to expect to find more than 6.
 

Xur

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Welp.....I should have heeded everyone's warnings...i went back and gave back all the winnings i had miraculously pulled from the machines.

TC was +6 lose with 18 to a deal up 4....hit 2x no 10s...got 19
TC was +6 again another time....had 18 yet again....dealer 2 up card...hits 3x no 10s 21....
right after that hand the TC was up to 8, maybe 9.... A8....dealer 3 up card...flips over a deuce.....3 more f'ing hits and no 10s!?!....5,6,4....for a grand total of 20....i was so rip **** i was ready to punch the damn lcd screen in...
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now that I am semi-cooled down from the shitty drive home....how often does this bullsh*t happen?
 

shadroch

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Xur said:
Welp.....I should have heeded everyone's warnings...i went back and gave back all the winnings i had miraculously pulled from the machines.

TC was +6 lose with 18 to a deal up 4....hit 2x no 10s...got 19
TC was +6 again another time....had 18 yet again....dealer 2 up card...hits 3x no 10s 21....
right after that hand the TC was up to 8, maybe 9.... A8....dealer 3 up card...flips over a deuce.....3 more f'ing hits and no 10s!?!....5,6,4....for a grand total of 20....i was so rip **** i was ready to punch the damn lcd screen in...
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now that I am semi-cooled down from the shitty drive home....how often does this bullsh*t happen?
How were you determining the true count?
to answer your question- all the time.
 

Xur

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RC/# of decks remaining...there were about 3.75 so i was calling it 4

and it was brutal....i could believe it...lol...i was so sure a nice big ole monkey was going to bust the dealer...nothing...nothing...nothing...
 

Xur

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Well the cut card is 50% in....so thats 3 decks...and there wasnt much in front of it...
 

johndoe

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You got a +6 TC with 4 decks remaining? That's 24 excess low cards that came out in two decks. Pretty rare occurrence! You sure about that number?

But welcome to blackjack. Now heed our advice and go find a better game.
 

Sonny

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Xur said:
TC was +6 lose with 18 to a deal up 4....
TC was +6 again another time....had 18 yet again....

now that I am semi-cooled down from the shitty drive home....how often does this bullsh*t happen?
Unfortunately, an 18 is usually not a winning hand. The high counts will be your highest losses so you have to be prepared for that before you make your bets.

-Sonny-
 

Xur

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18 vs that garbage showing for a dealer tho? I know if dealer had a King up id be in for a beating....but damn...

yea 100% sure about the count....i was as shocked as you...specially when no friggn 10s came to bust the dealer!


yea i guess i needed to learn my lesson the hard way ; p no such thing as easy money...guess i gotta get ready for FW. I will just look at it this way...i only lost 6 max bets (and once i tilt and bet 50% more than my max bet....)
 

johndoe

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Exactly right. Consider this a relatively inexpensive lesson in the reality of blackjack. Be absolutely sure of your bankroll, bets, and skills before you ever set foot in a real casino.
 

Xur

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yea...br and bets are what i have to work on...i feel my skills are solid...not perfect but workable in a casino...back to CVBJ! i feel if i practice the correct bets for long enough to correspond with the working count I should be good...any good way to practice wonging on CVBJ?
 
Xur said:
18 vs that garbage showing for a dealer tho? I know if dealer had a King up id be in for a beating....but damn...

yea 100% sure about the count....i was as shocked as you...specially when no friggn 10s came to bust the dealer!


yea i guess i needed to learn my lesson the hard way ; p no such thing as easy money...guess i gotta get ready for FW. I will just look at it this way...i only lost 6 max bets (and once i tilt and bet 50% more than my max bet....)
You are ready for Foxwoods. You must backcount.

You must backcount.

You must backcount.

It a relatively easy game to beat, just make sure you know all your surrender plays plus the usual set of indices and for God's sake don't bet anything that is not justified by the count. And although Foxwoods is relatively easy, it is not easy. Never believe anyone who tells you any form of AP is easy.
 

Xur

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yeap, planning on dragging the gf with me so i can backcount with some cover ; p
+2 a good count to jump in....I've been running some cvcx...looks like the best with # of hands played and the RoR...how much should I sit down with on the table if I plan on doing 10$ min with a 1-5 bet spread....with my bank that's about a 9% RoR....if i cant find any 10$ tables 15$ would put me at a 20% ror with the same spread....this seem ok? wong out at -1
 

johndoe

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Xur said:
yeap, planning on dragging the gf with me so i can backcount with some cover ; p
+2 a good count to jump in....I've been running some cvcx...looks like the best with # of hands played and the RoR...how much should I sit down with on the table if I plan on doing 10$ min with a 1-5 bet spread....with my bank that's about a 9% RoR....if i cant find any 10$ tables 15$ would put me at a 20% ror with the same spread....this seem ok? wong out at -1
I don't know if they have $10 tables (maybe in very off hours). But since your BR is so constrained, I would jump in at +2 and out at 0 (or even +1). But a sim would be worthwhile.
 

Xur

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Those RoRs are wrong....I still had shitty pen selected from when i was looking at the newport casino info...
so the RoR is a bit lower.

Using CVCX I can sim backcounting +2....how can i tell it when to wong out? or does it assume that I will sit out as soon as the count goes below +2?

Yea I'm hoping to hit it at Early week day morning. I remember a few months ago at off times there were some 5$ blackjack games....so I'm hoping finding 10$ won't be that bad...
 
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Xur said:
Those RoRs are wrong....I still had shitty pen selected from when i was looking at the newport casino info...
so the RoR is a bit lower.

Using CVCX I can sim backcounting +2....how can i tell it when to wong out? or does it assume that I will sit out as soon as the count goes below +2?

Yea I'm hoping to hit it at Early week day morning. I remember a few months ago at off times there were some 5$ blackjack games....so I'm hoping finding 10$ won't be that bad...
Here's a spread for you to use at Foxwoods (or Mohegan.)

My recommendation is to forget about trying to find a $10 or $15 table. You're backcounting, so all your bets are being placed with an advantage. You'll waste too much time looking for seats if you don't play $25 tables.

Assuming you are using High-Low, enter at +2. And when you are backcounting, if the count goes to -1 walk away and find another table to backcount. These places are so big there is always a new shoe starting nearby.

+2: $25
+3: $50
+4: $75
+5: $100

Real simple, right? Just subtract 1 from the true count and that's how many green chips you bet. No exceptions, until you get over +5 then you can level it off at $100.

Assuming you have a $5K bankroll, your absolute risk of ruin is about 8.5%. You'll be earning $90 per 100 hands played, which means the ones you are standing there watching don't count. If you were to watch only one table you'd be playing about 20% of hands, but being you are getting out of there and backcounting a new table when the count goes to hell you'll be playing significantly more.

Don't forget your playing indices (including the Fab Four surrender indices) and to let your girlfriend know this is going to be boring as hell.
 
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