Rhode Island-Video Blackjack Tables?

[shadroch]

What does $90 per hands played translate into earnings per hour? A rough estimate is fine. 100 hands divided by 12 hands per hour means 8 hours play for $90.
If the table is doing 60 hands an hour and you are playing 12, then you can do better delivering pizza, with no risk of ruin.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

What does $90 per hands played translate into earnings per hour? A rough estimate is fine. 100 hands divided by 12 hands per hour means 8 hours play for $90.
If the table is doing 60 hands an hour and you are playing 12, then you can do better delivering pizza, with no risk of ruin.

Such is life with a $5K bankroll.

 

[Xur]

Id much rather play a game and make $$$ then do a shitty job

ty AM for the advice and the spread. I will give it a go. wish me some epic luck! need a nice big win to make this seem hopeful!

 

[shadroch]

BJ is about as shitty a job as you'll ever find, if you are plugging away making $10 an hour at it.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

BJ is about as shitty a job as you'll ever find, if you are plugging away making $10 an hour at it.

I agree. I think realistically it is more like $15-$20 with that spread and smart Wonging. Still, it's a good place to practice.

 

[shadroch]

Perhaps, but than you have to factor in your travel time, gas, tips to the valet, tips to the waitress, tips to the dealer.....
Each goes his own way, but I greatly prefer hitting Vegas every eight weeks or so and being able to use my MP magic along with much better games to grinding away against the tide in AC or Foxwoods. I've yet to hit MS and I doubt its in the near future.

 

[Kasi]

Using CVCX I can sim backcounting +2....how can i tell it when to wong out? or does it assume that I will sit out as soon as the count goes below +2?

If you are back-counting, it assumes you would never ever play a hand at less than +2. (I think - I don't have it).

If playing hands lower than your entry point, I think maybe you have to use the "Departure Adjustment" feature.

 

[Kasi]

Such is life with a $5K bankroll.

You can't really be saying one would make 90 cents per physical hand played with a $25 to $100 spread and never playing at less than +2? That makes absolutely no sense to me lol. What am I missing?

Maybe making $4.5 every physical hand played and you get to play 20% of all hands seen or something might make more sense to me.

Anyway, he'd make the same 90 cents per hand whether he has a $5K roll or a $100K roll. Only his risk would change.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

You can't really be saying one would make 90 cents per physical hand played with a $25 to $100 spread and never playing at less than +2? That makes absolutely no sense to me lol. What am I missing?

That's exactly what I'm saying. By "hands played" I mean hands where you have a bet in the game. That's going to account for only about 20% of the hands dealt if you are watching one table. It's a rough life.

Maybe making $4.5 every physical hand played and you get to play 20% of all hands seen or something might make more sense to me.

Anyway, he'd make the same 90 cents per hand whether he has a $5K roll or a $100K roll. Only his risk would change.

Right, we're talking about a spread that provides some profit at a reasonable risk.

 

[sevencard2003]

guys please find the thread i made (only other post so far) talking about a certain machine at the stratosphere in las vegas. are we talking about the same machine? and where in laughlin is a good machine? often im lucky enough in the middle of the night to get it to myself, but i seem to lose on it more than i think i would. would appreciate it if some of u experts would give me some advice. i cannot find anything on that machine suggesting when the shuffle takes place, is it really when a new dealer shows up?

 

[EasyRhino]

Maybe making $4.5 every physical hand played and you get to play 20% of all hands seen or something might make more sense to me.

What you're msising is a reality check against the percentages. A high +4 TC is still only going to leave you with an advantage of 2% (or less), so even at the max bet of $100, that's only an EV of $4 for that hand, and that's not counting lower bets made against lower advantages at lower counts of +2 and +3.

 

[sevencard2003]

I don't know if they have $10 tables (maybe in very off hours). But since your BR is so constrained, I would jump in at +2 and out at 0 (or even +1). But a sim would be worthwhile.

hmm i dont think im too dumb, cause while reading his post, before i read yours, i also was suggesting jumping out at 0 instead of at -1. but like him ive got a low roll, (about $3000-5000) probably even less than his. ive been told they have these machines in laughlin for $1 min instead of the $3 min at the stratosphere las vegas i spent so much time at this spring. so on my next trip, when i head back for the wsop, would i be better off heading to laughlin for a few days when i feel the need to play some BJ instead of playing at the stratosphere? i would like to have a good math person figure out my risk of ruin if i stuck to playing 5 units on all counts of +2 or more, and one unit on hands of +1, and the bare minimum on counts of 0 or less. since i like to play all 5 spots, id have to play out negative shoes if i didnt wanna quit. but i would cut back to only 1 hand during those times. all the rest of the time id be playing all 5 spots. so my actual spread would be from 1 hand of $1 to 5 hands of $5 each. and in vegas would be 1 hand of $3 to 5 hands of $15 each. very curious to find out my risk of ruin. i cant say the exact amount of my roll id have in mid june, but im guessing from $3000 to $5000 to start off.

thx to anyone for their help. and does AC have these anywhere? i could go there but unlikely.

 

[I just like semi-circles]

Just a note RE: Rhode Island casinos. They're not actually casinos. All machines in RI are VLT's (video lottery terminals). There is nothing random about any of the machines, including the video blackjack (or the slots, or the video poker). No amount of skill will change your chances of winning. All hands, spins, etc. are predetermined. The payouts throughout the casino are determined by one main server ahead of time. VLT's are essentially scratch tickets. Playing the hand or spinning the reels is for entertainment purposes only. Rhode Island has no live table games, and is only licensed by the state to run a "lottery" (VLT's). Rhode Island law does not permit games of "skill", so counting the video blackjack or playing perfect strategy on a video poker machine will not change the outcome. For more info, just Google Rhode Island VLT's or video lottery terminals.

 

[sevencard2003]

if u seriously believe this, hit 20 every time and stand everytime u have 9 10 or 11 and see if ur results overall are exactly the same as u say theyve been predetermined. lol

what ur claiming is if someone is dealt aaa 47 on a video poker machines and tosses the aaa and holds the 47 that overall they will achieve the same results as if they hold the aaa and toss the 47--because ur saying that whether he wins or loses isnt affected in any way by his skill. anyone see how what hes saying is ludicrous? dont be afraid to speak up.

 

[rrwoods]

if u seriously believe this, hit 20 every time and stand everytime u have 9 10 or 11 and see if ur results overall are exactly the same as u say theyve been predetermined. lol

what ur claiming is if someone is dealt aaa 47 on a video poker machines and tosses the aaa and holds the 47 that overall they will achieve the same results as if they hold the aaa and toss the 47--because ur saying that whether he wins or loses isnt affected in any way by his skill. anyone see how what hes saying is ludicrous? dont be afraid to speak up.

... Or you could do your research and see that he's right. Sure, you don't hit 20, but do you think you'll even be dealt it in the first place if the machine isn't letting you win?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

... Or you could do your research and see that he's right. Sure, you don't hit 20, but do you think you'll even be dealt it in the first place if the machine isn't letting you win?

Not the point. When you are dealt a 20 and you are determined to win, you will get an ace every time if you hit when a win was predetermined.

Rhode Island machines are not VLT's. New York machines are. In fact the machines in Lincoln are Shufflemaster machines, the game parameters are clearly marked on the outside: 6/2, H17, DAS, LS, 7 card-charlie. It would be a serious violation of law if the machines were actually VLT's, and a good AP move to play them if they were because a court would probably award you your losses back.

 

[BleedingChipsSlowly]

Twin River Video Blackjack

The Twin River web site touts Shuffle Master brand virtual blackjack, but that game was removed over a month ago. I mailed the site about this a month ago, but it's not corrected as of this writing.

What they do have is Royal Match, which is 6 decks at a 5-seat machine, and they have 6 $10 machines for a total of 30 seats. You will wait for a seat during peak times, so jumping is not always possible. I haven't counted the deal to determine the penetration. A new shoe is presented when the dealer image is changed. BJ pays 3:2, hit S17, DAS, DD any, 1 card on ace splits, surrender. Spread is $5-$250. A match the dealer side bet is offered for the mathematically challenged.

No free drinks at play in RI, but you can get soft stuff and coffee. They started tracking play within the last month, but the comps are what you would expect for a $10 game - low.

 

[I just like semi-circles]

If you bother to Google it, as I suggested, you will see that RI casinos ARE VLT's.

Here is one (of several) links you'll find on the matter-

(Dead link: http://www.superonlinecasino.com/casinos_rhodeisland.htm)

 

[I just like semi-circles]

Here's one article (of several) about the results being predetermined, and comparing it to scratch tickets-

(Dead link: http://www.slotmachineblog.com/2008/05/video-lottery-terminals-difference.htm)

 

[I just like semi-circles]

Found what I was looking for. If you're going to read one article, read this one. Here's an article authored by your very own knagl on the VLT's-

(Dead link: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Gambling-1414/f_4477823.htm)

(Check the part where he talks about having a winning hand, throwing it away, and getting the same hand dealt to you). As I have been saying- PREDETERMINED