Spanish 21 book

Ferretnparrot

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i wonder since each casino offers a limited number of sp21 tables compared to regular bj, how often we on the forums will bump into eachother in AC in particular where the rules are awsomest

I also for the same reason think that once everybody here startes to assault the one and only sp21 table at say some casino, that they start to catch on since there always seems to be at least ONE guy at the table spreading and winning, its not like we can blend into a croud of people playing dozens oftables when there is only one or two tables offered at each casino.
 

Kasi

Well-Known Member
Automatic Monkey said:
True on both counts.

After 4 sessions using the new SP21 method, I'm up a little more than EV. I like it. The swings in SP21 are a bit less, more like a steady climb. The players don't claim to be experts. I'm usually the only white male playing and sometimes the only male. (So of course I'm shown a lot of deference at the table!) What an opportunity, SP21 has been around for a long time and I hope it lasts forever.

You using one of your own counts or the book's Hi-Lo stuff?
 

zengrifter

Banned
Ferretnparrot said:
i wonder since each casino offers a limited number of sp21 tables compared to regular bj, how often we on the forums will bump into eachother in AC in particular where the rules are awsomest
So you are an sp21 enthusiast now? zg
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
Automatic Monkey said:
What, since when have I ever done anything by the book?
Speaking of books, when are you, Automatic Monkey, going to write a book? The rest of us could benefit by your keen insights (tongue NOT in cheek). You do seem to have a strong and special perspective on counting that would be very helpful and enlightening. No kidding.
 

Katarina Walker

New Member
21forme said:
Where I said In the book, Katarina suggests... ignoring the splits and doubles I meant splits and soft hands, not splits and doubles. My mistake. I apologize.

While it may not look good to misquote a book, it also doesn't look good to publish a book full of errors (some of which I pointed out on Don's site.) Although it's hard to discern someone's "tone of voice" in a written post, I believe I detect some petulance in your reply, which really is unnecessary.



Does this include trying to hit into a 6-7-8?

BTW, would you care to comment on how many copies have been sold so far? Thanks for your book and thanks for being available for questions and corrections as we go through the learning process.
I've sold 81 copies since Feb 12. If I had to live on my book earnings, I'd be way below the povery line. A 14 yo Burger King employee earns more than I do from my book. And I went to college for ten years, and was the second-top math student at one of the top universities in Australia. So I get to earn less than a retard, and get to contribute for free to sites where my book is called "full of errors" and I am called petulant. I really must be a complete idiot.

It is a book that is little more than the output of a computer program that I wrote myself. Microsoft Word has been out for 15 years, and it still has bugs.
Get used to it. There is no such a thing as a bug-free computer program.
Also, all technical books have an errata sheet. And besides, none of the errors have any practical significance in terms of costing the player money.

I could have written a book with no data from simulations, like most gaming writers, and then I wouldn't have had any errors. I don't know what you want - qualitative and error-free, or results from a computer program, which will always have bugs. If Norm, or any other sim writer put their sim results in a book, the same thing would happen.

It's all brand-new material that hasn't been done before.

So, it isn't possible for me to release the results of simulations in book form without there being some errors from bugs, but it IS reasonable to expect you to read a section of a book twice before quoting it on a forum, so that you get it right.

I also don't think that it's very kind to misquote me, then exaggerate my book's error content, and then to call me petulant because I am human, and as a result, don't like it when people are unfair to me.
If you think I'm thick-skinned and pathetic, you try being pregnant, and in and out of hospital, which is where I'm at right now.
I wish I had never written the book, and instead, kept it all to myself, so I could keep playing with impunity for the rest of my life at 90% pen and zero heat, and saved myself 3 years of hard work and criticism. I could have had any job I wanted when I finished college, but instead, I wrote a book that I make no money from.

If 10 people have bought the book on this site because of my contributions, I couldn't even live for a day off that money.
 

Katarina Walker

New Member
21forme said:
Where I said In the book, Katarina suggests... ignoring the splits and doubles I meant splits and soft hands, not splits and doubles. My mistake. I apologize.

While it may not look good to misquote a book, it also doesn't look good to publish a book full of errors (some of which I pointed out on Don's site.) Although it's hard to discern someone's "tone of voice" in a written post, I believe I detect some petulance in your reply, which really is unnecessary.



Does this include trying to hit into a 6-7-8?

BTW, would you care to comment on how many copies have been sold so far? Thanks for your book and thanks for being available for questions and corrections as we go through the learning process.
I've sold 81 copies since Feb 12. If I had to live on my book earnings, I'd be way below the povery line. A 14 yo Burger King employee earns more than I do from my book. And I went to college for ten years, and was the second-top math student at one of the top universities in Australia. So I get to earn less than a retard, and get to contribute for free to sites where my book is called "full of errors" and I am called petulant. I really must be a complete idiot.

It is a book that is little more than the output of a computer program that I wrote myself. Microsoft Word has been out for 15 years, and it still has bugs.
Get used to it. There is no such a thing as a bug-free computer program.
Also, all technical books have an errata sheet. And besides, none of the errors have any practical significance in terms of costing the player money.

I could have written a book with no data from simulations, like most gaming writers, and then I wouldn't have had any errors. I don't know what you want - qualitative and error-free, or results from a computer program, which will always have bugs. If Norm, or any other sim writer put their sim results in a book, the same thing would happen.

It's all brand-new material that hasn't been done before.

So, it isn't possible for me to release the results of simulations in book form without there being some errors from bugs, but it IS reasonable to expect you to read a section of a book twice before quoting it on a forum, so that you get it right.

I also don't think that it's very kind to misquote me, then exaggerate my book's error content, and then to call me petulant because I am human, and as a result, don't like it when people are unfair to me.
If you think I'm thick-skinned and pathetic, you try being pregnant, and in and out of hospital, which is where I'm at right now.
I wish I had never written the book, and instead, kept it all to myself, so I could keep playing with impunity for the rest of my life at 90% pen and zero heat, and saved myself 3 years of hard work and criticism. I could have had any job I wanted when I finished college, but instead, I wrote a book that I make no money from.

If 10 people have bought the book on this site because of my contributions, I couldn't even live for a day off that money.
 

21forme

Well-Known Member
As I said, I very much appreciate your efforts.

While I have never been pregnant, my wife has, twice, so I believe I can understand what you're going through.

Best of luck to you, both with life and the book.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
Katarina Walker said:
I've sold 81 copies since Feb 12. If I had to live on my book earnings, I'd be way below the povery line. A 14 yo Burger King employee earns more than I do from my book. And I went to college for ten years, and was the second-top math student at one of the top universities in Australia. So I get to earn less than a retard, and get to contribute for free to sites where my book is called "full of errors" and I am called petulant. I really must be a complete idiot.

It is a book that is little more than the output of a computer program that I wrote myself. Microsoft Word has been out for 15 years, and it still has bugs.
Get used to it. There is no such a thing as a bug-free computer program.
Also, all technical books have an errata sheet. And besides, none of the errors have any practical significance in terms of costing the player money.

I could have written a book with no data from simulations, like most gaming writers, and then I wouldn't have had any errors. I don't know what you want - qualitative and error-free, or results from a computer program, which will always have bugs. If Norm, or any other sim writer put their sim results in a book, the same thing would happen.

It's all brand-new material that hasn't been done before.

So, it isn't possible for me to release the results of simulations in book form without there being some errors from bugs, but it IS reasonable to expect you to read a section of a book twice before quoting it on a forum, so that you get it right.

I also don't think that it's very kind to misquote me, then exaggerate my book's error content, and then to call me petulant because I am human, and as a result, don't like it when people are unfair to me.
If you think I'm thick-skinned and pathetic, you try being pregnant, and in and out of hospital, which is where I'm at right now.
I wish I had never written the book, and instead, kept it all to myself, so I could keep playing with impunity for the rest of my life at 90% pen and zero heat, and saved myself 3 years of hard work and criticism. I could have had any job I wanted when I finished college, but instead, I wrote a book that I make no money from.

If 10 people have bought the book on this site because of my contributions, I couldn't even live for a day off that money.
You are very much appreciated. Thank you for your labor of love, and it must have been a labor of love, otherwise I doubt it would ever have been completed. You have the "advantage play" community buzzing. I hope that brings with it some gratification, although money in the form of book revenues would be more gratifying, I'm sure. I've done my part in ordering your book, not to do you any favor, but as a testament to the good work you have done. You should be very proud. I hope this spurs a new look at all the games that are out there, and maybe some new breakthroughs, as if yours is not enough. Thank you again. I for one appreciate your hard work disproportionate as it is in terms of pecuniary reward.
 

blackchipjim

Well-Known Member
The book

I applaud you on your effort and I consider it an great accomplishment. You have done what some of us have yet to do and that is find and exploit a weakness in a game and make a profit. I bought your book for intelectual value and advantage. I think some of us on this site confuse thick skin with thick skull and that in itself is to many of ours disadvantage. I believe this to be a advantage player site with imput from many a varied view and opinion and most from the male mind. Congrats on your baby and hope to hear from you when life settles down a bit for you. blackchipjim
 

moo321

Well-Known Member
Katarina Walker said:
I've sold 81 copies since Feb 12. If I had to live on my book earnings, I'd be way below the povery line. A 14 yo Burger King employee earns more than I do from my book. And I went to college for ten years, and was the second-top math student at one of the top universities in Australia. So I get to earn less than a retard, and get to contribute for free to sites where my book is called "full of errors" and I am called petulant. I really must be a complete idiot.

It is a book that is little more than the output of a computer program that I wrote myself. Microsoft Word has been out for 15 years, and it still has bugs.
Get used to it. There is no such a thing as a bug-free computer program.
Also, all technical books have an errata sheet. And besides, none of the errors have any practical significance in terms of costing the player money.

I could have written a book with no data from simulations, like most gaming writers, and then I wouldn't have had any errors. I don't know what you want - qualitative and error-free, or results from a computer program, which will always have bugs. If Norm, or any other sim writer put their sim results in a book, the same thing would happen.

It's all brand-new material that hasn't been done before.

So, it isn't possible for me to release the results of simulations in book form without there being some errors from bugs, but it IS reasonable to expect you to read a section of a book twice before quoting it on a forum, so that you get it right.

I also don't think that it's very kind to misquote me, then exaggerate my book's error content, and then to call me petulant because I am human, and as a result, don't like it when people are unfair to me.
If you think I'm thick-skinned and pathetic, you try being pregnant, and in and out of hospital, which is where I'm at right now.
I wish I had never written the book, and instead, kept it all to myself, so I could keep playing with impunity for the rest of my life at 90% pen and zero heat, and saved myself 3 years of hard work and criticism. I could have had any job I wanted when I finished college, but instead, I wrote a book that I make no money from.

If 10 people have bought the book on this site because of my contributions, I couldn't even live for a day off that money.
Sounds like you should have just kept the info to yourself... the money's never made selling books.
 

Kasi

Well-Known Member
Knox said:
Offer to let them play the match bet on your spot and you will give them half the winnings!
I've had about 10 people ask if they could play my empty MTD spot but the dealer would never let them anyway.

For most of them, that's the only thing they seem to actually care about anyway - the hand they've been dealt doesn't seem to matter to them lol.
 

Knox

Well-Known Member
Kasi said:
I've had about 10 people ask if they could play my empty MTD spot but the dealer would never let them anyway.

For most of them, that's the only thing they seem to actually care about anyway - the hand they've been dealt doesn't seem to matter to them lol.
If the person hands you the money and lets you place the bet I think they should be ok with that.
 
Mine arrived today so you've sold at least 82 now Katerina;) At the casino I work... we were told that Spanish 21 is uncountable so we can cut with pen of 90-95% no problems :).. and has a whopping 42% profit rate for the house... that is that supposedly 42% of any money spent on that table is profit to the house. Can you verify this?? I can say from experience dealing this game that 95% of people play it using normal BJ basic strategy - barely even taking advantage of the double double downs.. maybe that's why it's so profitable... that and the match bet which most people seem to love more than the game itself.

A few months ago someone came in and took 8k off that table in 8 hrs play... playing very differently to normal BS. That got me thinking... then I found your book. My kitchen is now a fully spec'd up Spanish 21 den - cheat sheets and charts on the wall. My wife deals and I study.

Thank you! Let's just hope this opportunity lasts a while.
 

Kasi

Well-Known Member
mich hucknall said:
Mine arrived today so you've sold at least 82 now Katerina;) At the casino I work... we were told that Spanish 21 is uncountable so we can cut with pen of 90-95% no problems :).. and has a whopping 42% profit rate for the house... that is that supposedly 42% of any money spent on that table is profit to the house. Can you verify this?? I can say from experience dealing this game that 95% of people play it using normal BJ basic strategy - barely even taking advantage of the double double downs.. maybe that's why it's so profitable... that and the match bet which most people seem to love more than the game itself.

A few months ago someone came in and took 8k off that table in 8 hrs play... playing very differently to normal BS. That got me thinking... then I found your book. My kitchen is now a fully spec'd up Spanish 21 den - cheat sheets and charts on the wall. My wife deals and I study.

Thank you! Let's just hope this opportunity lasts a while.
Does that Mich mean you're in Michigan by chance. If too personal, I understand.

I wonder what the HA is when people play SP21 like BJ. All I know is they tend to get clobbered lol. Probably the match bet is actually better for them at 3% and it's impossible to screw up lol.

That 42% is probably the "hold" I'd guess. Pretty meaningless if you ask me.

Wow, 90% huh?
 
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