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Quick question about getting up from the table when the true count drops to m1 or lower. Let’s say that after just 1 or 2 hands on a double deck table the count drops to m1, do I get up and leave? Or stick it out for a few more hands? What is the time limit on this?
Leaving at minor negative counts in double deck quickly becomes impractical because it happens so frequently and there are typically only a few double deck tables that you can switch to. When playing double deck I generally play through the negative counts, except for taking bathroom breaks and phone call breaks during the worst counts.
I decided I am going to learn the art of card counting. I did spend 2 hours writing down the tutorial from my phone. Because I am to broke to get it printed. 5 Hours went into reading and reading more about the 0s, +’s, -‘s and all other crab who knows whos did blog. Then here and there food for the mind, which is helpful. But I love the honesty and the motivation in this article. There is hope, hope to buy a printer and hope for a girl like me to earn a extra income. Am going to glue myself to a deck of cards till I can get that 0. Then will I gamble and loose and then hopefully master the sience of 21 * 6 packed in a shoe. Count it from 0 to 0 and kick some boody.
OK, 200 shoes makes a lot more sense.
You’ve still been very lucky, but you are well within the range of possible outcomes.
As a guess, I would put your expected win somewhere around $1300.
You would need a simulation to get specific numbers.
I played DD hit S17 or S17 any casinos but i won a little and down a lot of money.I dont know whats going on i played basic strategy counting cards Hi Low counts.But the problem the positive counts i cant get my big bets and my cards is always bad,
Iam thinking to stay away from the casino.Do i need not to stay my hard 14 or hard 15 against the dealer 20 if the count is +4TC
which remaning 2decks?or less?And how much do i need money to play $50 minimum bet in 1 session?thanks
The advantage in counting is quite small, so losing streaks are inevitable even if you are playing correctly. It is especially frustrating to have a losing streak at the very beginning, because you have nothing to compare it to. I would expect that most counters that start off with poor results give up the game. Players who begin with a winning streak instead will eventually have the same losing streaks, but they will have also experienced the other side of the coin which makes it far more tolerable.
You ask about standing with hard 14 or 15 vs a dealer 20. I assume you mean a dealer ten up. (Stop assuming that the dealer has a face card underneath. It is not true, and not helpful.) You confusingly mention a true count of +4 but then ask about remaining decks of 2 or less. You should stand with 15vT at a true count of +4 or more no matter how many decks are left. The conversion to a true count already takes into account the number of decks left. For example, with 2 decks left, that means you need a running count of +8 or more to stand with 15vT. As for the other hand, you should not be standing with 14vT. Just hit it.
Time away from the game could provide a much needed chance to improve your understanding before you go back, particularly if you are playing a $50 minimum bet game.
How much money is needed for a session at a $50 table? Well, that depends on how long you play and what your larger bets are. For an hour or so, you should have no less than $2000 or $3000 available. Preferably more, because you will often run out at that level. You need to be spreading to a top bet of at least $400 to make this game viable. I would prefer a session bankroll of $5000 for that game.
Sembra che 2decks rimanenti sulla scarpa con +5 o superiore sia il momento migliore per scommettere 1to8 nei giochi da tavolo $10. E quanti soldi devo portare con me in $50 minimo DD in 1 sessione? Grazie.
Continui a non capire il vero conteggio. Non importa quanti mazzi sono rimasti. Puntate semplicemente in base al conteggio reale. Dovreste avere una rampa di puntata che raggiunge la vostra puntata massima a un conteggio reale di +5 o giù di lì.
Poiché è possibile utilizzare uno spread minore, un gioco a doppio mazzo $50 richiede un bankroll inferiore. È possibile giocare una sessione tipica con uno spread da $50 a $300 con $1500 o giù di lì.
This is how long it has been since I played BlackJack in a casino. Am just about 50, and in the 1990’s, if you bet 100.00 and won that hand, you had 200.00
in your pocket! Have times changed. Went to Vegas a year ago but did not pay any attention to BlackJack or the payouts. Used to go there several times a year. Good Luck everyone
I’ve recently started learning card counting with hi-low system. I find this matter amazing and I’m confident I can get to master it and I dream of nothing but success while reading and practicing day and night, every second I have free.
I just found your website and it seems very interesting. I would like to interact with you, for I have a world of questions and inquiries.
To start off with a question:
how come your course or classes of such a value are published for free?
The Blackjack School was originally published online by “The GameMaster” who used it to publicize his website by offering it to other sites for their use. His site has been offline for a while now, but we all still get the benefits. Like so much excellent free content on the net, it’s generally supported by advertisers.
Of how much would the minimum you advise my bankroll should be and at what point would I start winning? Also, at what point would I convert my running count to true count on a 6 deck shoe? After the first deck played, after half of the first deck, 2nd deck. What difference does it make?
Your minimum bankroll will likely be affected by the quality of the games near you. If you have good two-deck games nearby, you can probably make money with a bankroll of $3000 or so. I recommend that your biggest bets be no more than 1% of your bankroll, so a $3000 bankroll would mean limiting your top bet to just $30. At that rate, your hourly expected win will definitely be less than minimum wage. But it’s a start. If you are forced to play 6-deck games instead, you really need $5000 at a minimum. You can always take a shot with a smaller bank, with the understanding that you may go broke and have to wait to raise another starting stake.
You should convert your running count to a true count each time you need to decide how much to bet. (And if you are using strategy variations, you may also want to do so in the middle of a hand.) Having a good idea of where the true count stands gets much easier with experience, so it doesn’t feel like you are constantly struggling to convert from the running count.
Articolo interessante. Tuttavia, potrei qualificare ciò che hai scritto con "dipende da dove giochi". Vivo in un piccolo mercato con opportunità di gioco limitate. Il piccolo "casinò" in cui si trova offre solo Texas Hold 'Em e una seconda sala con Spanish 21, PaiGow, qualche altro gioco di carte (al momento non ricordo) e un *singolo* tavolo di BJ. L'unico comp che offrono è un match play $5 o $10, ma sembra che lo diano a chiunque giochi e non solo ai "membri del club". Paghiamo anche le nostre bevande! C'è un solo pit boss, che supervisiona tutto il gioco delle carte, ma raramente guarda le persone giocare. Il limite del tavolo per il BJ è di $100, quindi l'unica volta che il PB viene avvisato è quando qualcuno punta il massimo del tavolo, il che è raro. La puntata minima è di $3. Si tratta sicuramente di un posto per giocatori di basso livello.
Il lato positivo è che si tratta di un posto molto accogliente e tranquillo, un modo molto piacevole per trascorrere un'oretta. I commercianti conoscono i clienti abituali per nome e sembra che ci sia un buon cameratismo.
Ora, mi piace pensare a me stesso come a un eccellente giocatore di strategia di base: lento a perdere, e occasionalmente a tornare a casa con più di quanto sono entrato. Tuttavia, ho iniziato a imparare l'Hi-Lo, ho letto un sacco di cose qui e su altri siti, ho letto alcuni libri (Thorpe, Wong, Schlesinger) e mi sto esercitando ogni giorno, distribuendo 5 mani e contando. Il BJ del suddetto casinò è 6D, NS, H17, DAS, il BJ paga 3:2, quindi è quello che sto praticando a casa. (Ho ancora molta pratica da fare, ma quando sarò pronto a mettere tutto in gioco, ho un posto dove giocare, dove un piccolo spread, ad esempio 1-8 (o 10), non farà nemmeno alzare un sopracciglio. E con una puntata minima così bassa, posso permettermi di fare pratica senza perdere una tonnellata di denaro.
Comunque, scusate per la risposta prolissa. Mi piace il vostro sito!
I know that kind of thing can get on people’s nerves, however at the end of the day the cards are always shuffled rather than setup. It just means there is no knowing the order of cards beforehand. The dealers bust card or the card that makes his 21 could come out different every time. Idiot players help just as much as they hurt you.
The thing that gets me is the unrealisticly long losing streaks that seem to come up too often. That is playing perfect basic basic strategy with all the right splits, and doubles yet losing 90 percent of the time no matter what the hands are originally dealt. I mentally question the shuffles at times but it has to accepted unless there’s a good reason to speak on the house cheating.
Quick question about getting up from the table when the true count drops to m1 or lower. Let’s say that after just 1 or 2 hands on a double deck table the count drops to m1, do I get up and leave? Or stick it out for a few more hands? What is the time limit on this?
Leaving at minor negative counts in double deck quickly becomes impractical because it happens so frequently and there are typically only a few double deck tables that you can switch to. When playing double deck I generally play through the negative counts, except for taking bathroom breaks and phone call breaks during the worst counts.
well said!
I decided I am going to learn the art of card counting. I did spend 2 hours writing down the tutorial from my phone. Because I am to broke to get it printed. 5 Hours went into reading and reading more about the 0s, +’s, -‘s and all other crab who knows whos did blog. Then here and there food for the mind, which is helpful. But I love the honesty and the motivation in this article. There is hope, hope to buy a printer and hope for a girl like me to earn a extra income. Am going to glue myself to a deck of cards till I can get that 0. Then will I gamble and loose and then hopefully master the sience of 21 * 6 packed in a shoe. Count it from 0 to 0 and kick some boody.
Ken ,
They are not 200 hands but 200 shoes.
My balance is too loud ?
This above standard deviation ?
OK, 200 shoes makes a lot more sense.
You’ve still been very lucky, but you are well within the range of possible outcomes.
As a guess, I would put your expected win somewhere around $1300.
You would need a simulation to get specific numbers.
I played DD hit S17 or S17 any casinos but i won a little and down a lot of money.I dont know whats going on i played basic strategy counting cards Hi Low counts.But the problem the positive counts i cant get my big bets and my cards is always bad,
Iam thinking to stay away from the casino.Do i need not to stay my hard 14 or hard 15 against the dealer 20 if the count is +4TC
which remaning 2decks?or less?And how much do i need money to play $50 minimum bet in 1 session?thanks
The advantage in counting is quite small, so losing streaks are inevitable even if you are playing correctly. It is especially frustrating to have a losing streak at the very beginning, because you have nothing to compare it to. I would expect that most counters that start off with poor results give up the game. Players who begin with a winning streak instead will eventually have the same losing streaks, but they will have also experienced the other side of the coin which makes it far more tolerable.
You ask about standing with hard 14 or 15 vs a dealer 20. I assume you mean a dealer ten up. (Stop assuming that the dealer has a face card underneath. It is not true, and not helpful.) You confusingly mention a true count of +4 but then ask about remaining decks of 2 or less. You should stand with 15vT at a true count of +4 or more no matter how many decks are left. The conversion to a true count already takes into account the number of decks left. For example, with 2 decks left, that means you need a running count of +8 or more to stand with 15vT. As for the other hand, you should not be standing with 14vT. Just hit it.
Time away from the game could provide a much needed chance to improve your understanding before you go back, particularly if you are playing a $50 minimum bet game.
How much money is needed for a session at a $50 table? Well, that depends on how long you play and what your larger bets are. For an hour or so, you should have no less than $2000 or $3000 available. Preferably more, because you will often run out at that level. You need to be spreading to a top bet of at least $400 to make this game viable. I would prefer a session bankroll of $5000 for that game.
Sembra che 2decks rimanenti sulla scarpa con +5 o superiore sia il momento migliore per scommettere 1to8 nei giochi da tavolo $10. E quanti soldi devo portare con me in $50 minimo DD in 1 sessione? Grazie.
Continui a non capire il vero conteggio. Non importa quanti mazzi sono rimasti. Puntate semplicemente in base al conteggio reale. Dovreste avere una rampa di puntata che raggiunge la vostra puntata massima a un conteggio reale di +5 o giù di lì.
Poiché è possibile utilizzare uno spread minore, un gioco a doppio mazzo $50 richiede un bankroll inferiore. È possibile giocare una sessione tipica con uno spread da $50 a $300 con $1500 o giù di lì.
This is how long it has been since I played BlackJack in a casino. Am just about 50, and in the 1990’s, if you bet 100.00 and won that hand, you had 200.00
in your pocket! Have times changed. Went to Vegas a year ago but did not pay any attention to BlackJack or the payouts. Used to go there several times a year. Good Luck everyone
Hello Ken,
I’ve recently started learning card counting with hi-low system. I find this matter amazing and I’m confident I can get to master it and I dream of nothing but success while reading and practicing day and night, every second I have free.
I just found your website and it seems very interesting. I would like to interact with you, for I have a world of questions and inquiries.
To start off with a question:
how come your course or classes of such a value are published for free?
Thank you,
Joe
The Blackjack School was originally published online by “The GameMaster” who used it to publicize his website by offering it to other sites for their use. His site has been offline for a while now, but we all still get the benefits. Like so much excellent free content on the net, it’s generally supported by advertisers.
Hello Ken,
Of how much would the minimum you advise my bankroll should be and at what point would I start winning? Also, at what point would I convert my running count to true count on a 6 deck shoe? After the first deck played, after half of the first deck, 2nd deck. What difference does it make?
Your minimum bankroll will likely be affected by the quality of the games near you. If you have good two-deck games nearby, you can probably make money with a bankroll of $3000 or so. I recommend that your biggest bets be no more than 1% of your bankroll, so a $3000 bankroll would mean limiting your top bet to just $30. At that rate, your hourly expected win will definitely be less than minimum wage. But it’s a start. If you are forced to play 6-deck games instead, you really need $5000 at a minimum. You can always take a shot with a smaller bank, with the understanding that you may go broke and have to wait to raise another starting stake.
You should convert your running count to a true count each time you need to decide how much to bet. (And if you are using strategy variations, you may also want to do so in the middle of a hand.) Having a good idea of where the true count stands gets much easier with experience, so it doesn’t feel like you are constantly struggling to convert from the running count.
Ken,
Articolo interessante. Tuttavia, potrei qualificare ciò che hai scritto con "dipende da dove giochi". Vivo in un piccolo mercato con opportunità di gioco limitate. Il piccolo "casinò" in cui si trova offre solo Texas Hold 'Em e una seconda sala con Spanish 21, PaiGow, qualche altro gioco di carte (al momento non ricordo) e un *singolo* tavolo di BJ. L'unico comp che offrono è un match play $5 o $10, ma sembra che lo diano a chiunque giochi e non solo ai "membri del club". Paghiamo anche le nostre bevande! C'è un solo pit boss, che supervisiona tutto il gioco delle carte, ma raramente guarda le persone giocare. Il limite del tavolo per il BJ è di $100, quindi l'unica volta che il PB viene avvisato è quando qualcuno punta il massimo del tavolo, il che è raro. La puntata minima è di $3. Si tratta sicuramente di un posto per giocatori di basso livello.
Il lato positivo è che si tratta di un posto molto accogliente e tranquillo, un modo molto piacevole per trascorrere un'oretta. I commercianti conoscono i clienti abituali per nome e sembra che ci sia un buon cameratismo.
Ora, mi piace pensare a me stesso come a un eccellente giocatore di strategia di base: lento a perdere, e occasionalmente a tornare a casa con più di quanto sono entrato. Tuttavia, ho iniziato a imparare l'Hi-Lo, ho letto un sacco di cose qui e su altri siti, ho letto alcuni libri (Thorpe, Wong, Schlesinger) e mi sto esercitando ogni giorno, distribuendo 5 mani e contando. Il BJ del suddetto casinò è 6D, NS, H17, DAS, il BJ paga 3:2, quindi è quello che sto praticando a casa. (Ho ancora molta pratica da fare, ma quando sarò pronto a mettere tutto in gioco, ho un posto dove giocare, dove un piccolo spread, ad esempio 1-8 (o 10), non farà nemmeno alzare un sopracciglio. E con una puntata minima così bassa, posso permettermi di fare pratica senza perdere una tonnellata di denaro.
Comunque, scusate per la risposta prolissa. Mi piace il vostro sito!
Sembra che abbiate una buona padronanza della situazione nel vostro casinò locale. È un posto perfetto per affinare le tue abilità. Buona fortuna!
Come si può stimare il T/C in DD se il dealer non ha mai distribuito tutti e 2 i mazzi di carte?
Disagree on the surrender part if it was such a scam every casino would offer it!
I know that kind of thing can get on people’s nerves, however at the end of the day the cards are always shuffled rather than setup. It just means there is no knowing the order of cards beforehand. The dealers bust card or the card that makes his 21 could come out different every time. Idiot players help just as much as they hurt you.
The thing that gets me is the unrealisticly long losing streaks that seem to come up too often. That is playing perfect basic basic strategy with all the right splits, and doubles yet losing 90 percent of the time no matter what the hands are originally dealt. I mentally question the shuffles at times but it has to accepted unless there’s a good reason to speak on the house cheating.